Microfiber hand test??

Here's the only hand test I use for microfiber towels. When it passes this test I start wiping...



The Robert DiTerlizzi Method


This is a technique my buddy Robert shared with me and I like it so much I show it at all my classes and always give him due credit as I don't steal other guys stuff.

After you've done all the hard work the last thing you want to do is to put any swirls or scratches back into the paint. Now I wash all the microfiber towels we use here at the garage myself and I'm very meticulous and careful about the entire washing and drying process because the last thing I want to have happen is for Max to come out here to get a few microfiber towels to work on his cars and have some kind of contaminant in the towel.

That said, before using any microfiber towel it's important to inspect it two ways.


Visually Inspect
First look closely at the towel, especially if the towel has a plush nap and inspect for any type of foreign contaminant that might be lodged in the nap. If discovered either remove the contaminant or get a different towel.


Tactically Inspect
Second, take your clean hand and run it over the face of the towel on both sides. Often times your sense of touch will detect foreign particles or contaminants that your eyes cannot see. If discovered, remove the contaminant or get a different towel.

Do this for each towel. It only takes a few seconds to inspect your towels and it can save you a lot of heartache.


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RDM = the Robert DiTerlizzi Method


Thanks Robert and for everyone reading this into the future, if you're not inspecting your microfiber towels by feeling EACH ONE before you wipe down something you've been buffing out all day long then start!


Due credit where credit is due...



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Yahoo!! So based on Mike Phillips comments above I AM NOT Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs!! Stroked89coupe continue your hand test!! I always do for the same reason Mike does.....

I do not use Roberts method I just look at the MF towel from picking it up both sides!!

Woo hoo!!!!

Im the MAN
 
Yahoo!! So based on Mike Phillips comments above I AM NOT Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs!! Stroked89coupe continue your hand test!! I always do for the same reason Mike does.....

I do not use Roberts method I just look at the MF towel from picking it up both sides!!

Woo hoo!!!!

Im the MAN

He's talking about inspecting for debris. Not to see if the towel passes a hand test. Mikes talking about little particles of dirt in the nap, not the actual nap itself....
 
He's talking about inspecting for debris. Not to see if the towel passes a hand test. Mikes talking about little particles of dirt in the nap, not the actual nap itself....


You are a party pooper!!! I do check for deri though!!!.....LOL I guess I am back to being Koo Koo ofr Cocoa Puffs!!

Bottom line it is an inspection....LOL
 
You are a party pooper!!! I do check for deri though!!!.....LOL I guess I am back to being Koo Koo ofr Cocoa Puffs!!

Bottom line it is an inspection....LOL

You're not crazy, we have our own things. Just pointing out what Mike was discussing is different than OP.
 
Just pointing out what Mike was discussing is different than OP.


Exactly. I'm pointing out what's most important assuming you're starting out with a quality microfiber towel to start with.

I have at least a half a dozen types of microfiber towels in the studio for working on our car projects and I never induce swirls or scratches with any of them due to the fibers themselves. In fact it's the least of my worries.

I TRY to keep the cabinet doors closed when taking pictures during our car projects but with a dozen or so guys working on the car it seems the towel cabinet door is left open once in a while mostly because the guys working on the cars don't know I don't want the doors open in my pictures. That said, here's a picture of the door open while I was taking a picture of our last project car.

Note the multitude of different towels in the cabinet in the back on the right...

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Point being I could grab any particular style inspect it and use it and the towel itself is not going to scratch the paint.


I do tend to use the florescent green rolled edge towels for show car work and we always wear microfiber gloves.

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What I'm only concerned with is if the quality towels I'm using are contaminated from use or the washing and drying process.

I do all the laundry here at AG because it's important it's done without introducing contamination, that means accidentally dropping towels on the floor or not paying attention and mixing a towel used somewhere else here at Autogeek that is visibly contaminated with non-contaminated towels.

The last thing I want is to put scratches back into something I've already polished out let alone have Bob or anyone here at AG grab a microfiber towel to use on their car and scratch their car.

Autogeek sells quality microfiber towels and if you start with quality towels then the only real next concern is if they are contaminated with something attached to the towel from use.


FWIW


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Quit it Bob, I just spit out my morning coffee reading about being a little behind :laughing:
Sorry...:D
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''Hand test''.

Is this a good way to judge a microfiber...
•Besides the split/(#-of-splits per/microfiber) mentioned earlier---(16 "splits" is said to be of very high quality):
I thought that when you feel the microfiber-towel (MF-towel) grabbing the skin on your hand that it means it is a microfiber/towel made from "split microfibers". Many higher quality microfiber-towels are said to be made/assembled from "split microfiber".

•I'll go with the "weight" of the MF-towel as a good way to judge them.
-MF-towel weight is determined by the grams per square meter (GSM).

•So what is the weight of an individual, typical 12"X16" MF-towel...that is said to be 300 GSM? How about 600 GSM?

•Since 1983:
-A meter has been officially defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second; :D
-Or, more commonly: 1.0936 yards, or 39.370".

Weight of a 300 GSM MF-towel (12" X 16")
-Area of one square meter = 39.370" X 39.370" =
1,549.9969 sq."

-Area of a 16" X 12" MF-towel =
192 sq."

-1549.9969 sq."/192 sq." =
8.07

-300 GSM/8.07 = 37.1747 GSM

Weight of the 600 GSM MF-towel?
-600 GSM/8.07 = 74.3494 GSM

•IMO:
-The lower GSM MF-towels makes for excellent general cleaning;
-The higher GSM reserved for more "delicate use".


Bob
 
Thanks for all of the info. So what makes a microfiber towel scratch or leave micro swirls other than foreign debris? I'massuming the material Iit's made of? What specifically?
 
Stroked89coupe; said:
So what makes a microfiber towel scratch or leave micro swirls other than foreign debris? I'massuming the material Iit's made of? What specifically?
•Sometimes it's downforce that causes micro swirls, etc.
-That is to say:The amount of pressure used to wipe/swipe vehicle surfaces with a towel that, in essence, is made from plastics.

And what's the point of microfiber gloves?
"Like attracts Like"

•Microfiber towels will stick to (be attracted to) microfiber gloves.
-Less chance of MF-towels falling to the wayside.

-An Example: Similar to the way my hands are attracted to Grippo potato chips! :)

Bob
 
And what's the point of microfiber gloves?


You know... I introduce a lot of people to microfiber gloves and I know that if they've never used them before they are wary or even unbelieving of any benefit.

So I simply have them put them on and then wipe the wax or sealant off.

Afterwards I ask them...

So do like the glove?

And they always answer "yes".


It's truly one of those things you have to experience before you become a believer.

Besides helping you to grip your microfiber towels they prevent you from putting oily finger prints on wipe-off paint as you work around the car.


If you want more info... here's two articles...


Increase Your Grip Strength with Microfiber Gloves

I love the glove...


Microfiber gloves also work great for all kinds of intricate polishing work where you wear the glove and use the microfiber around your fingers as your applicator.

For example cleaning a steering wheel.
Applying polish or wax to wheel spokes
Polishing your leg

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Microfiber gloves also work great for all kinds of intricate polishing work where you wear the glove and use the microfiber around your fingers as your applicator.

For example cleaning a steering wheel.
Applying polish or wax to wheel spokes
Polishing your leg

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I've sold my friend on MF gloves for taking care of the spokes on his Harley wheels. He loves them!

Randy
 
The Junkman banned me on my comparison to Meguiars waffle weave and supreme shine.
If you cant take criticism or opinions then you should post.
I did get some waffle weaves from the Rag Co , but for heavy duty drying it wasnt the best.
It had to be wringed out so often my hands started to cramp.
For spot detail it was fine.

An for the hand test, Rag Co failed my crappy hands also:confused:.
 
Honestly, the "hand test" is pretty much crap designed to sell people on microfiber towels one way or the other.

Whether a towel grips your hand or not isn't an indicator of quality, it just means the towel has a "closed-loop style" construction, (often grabs at skin) or a different style. (which usually won't)

The only reason people think the "grabbiness" is bad is because it's the most commonly-used style, (Pretty much all terry-style microfiber towels use this construction) and it just so happens that thin-ish, cheap terry-style mf's are the most common type of mf, so people associate that feeling with a lower level of quality.

I'll stick with the CD for actual testing; It's too easy to get paranoid when you're using something as subjective as "the hand test".
 
I have towels that grab my hands and towels that don't. Guess what? Neither of them marr or scratch my paint.
And they ones that do grab my hand were fairly cheap chemical guys towels.
 
Honestly, the "hand test" is pretty much crap

I'll stick with the CD for actual testing;

It's too easy to get paranoid when you're using something as subjective as "the hand test".
Ring, rang, rung.
Some will sing, sang, sung
That either MF-towel tests
are a bunch of (at the best):
A bunch of ding, dong, dung!

[ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeeGMpM_Nk"]Johnny Otis - Willie and the Hand Jive - YouTube[/video]

:D

Bob
 
i tried to throw a suggestion toward junkman on a decently cheap microfiber that still has a high quality feel and weight. unfortunately he basically attacked me when i tried to explain that a "grabby" feel doesn't mean it's low quality, in fact it can mean the opposite when you compare two, but one being not grabby doesn't mean it isn't high quality either. unless you have a microscope handy to check a couple hundred thousand fibers to see if the whole thing has the right splitting in a square inch of cloth, you pretty much need to just do a scratch test and see how much pressure you can use before inducing a scratch.
 
You do not need to convince anyone but yourself. There will always be those that have a set opinion.
 
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