Mid-Grade Gasoline (89 Octane)

I thought I read once that the mixing actually takes place at the station, so it's not totally impossible that you don't actually get a definite 89 octane all the time. I don't really know for sure though.

All the gas by me is E10. I get better mileage on gas without ethanol, but there's not too much I can do about it. And now I see the EPA has approved E15 also...
 
I use 89 in my Hemi because it's what is recommended in my owners manual.
 
Here in Colorado, our octane ratings are 85, 87 and 91. We pay the same for 85 octane as most other states do for the 87. I use the "mid-grade" because it makes a difference in my gas mileage. I get more miles on a tank of gas with the 87 than the 85. For the record, our 85 here is an average of $3.58 and mid is $3.74.
 
well I don't know if I have to but recommended that I run 91min with the power programmer I have hooked up . if I changed my settings I could run 87 or 89 . I dont know about other states, but in central Wisconsin , if u want non ethanol blended gas u usually gotta go to premium .
 
Most of the gas around here is E10 also. Some places, the mid-grade is subsidized, and is .10 a gallon cheaper, so I use it. Mileage is a tad better with regular (87 octane). I can burn E85, but don't, unless it's at least a dollar a gallon cheaper, to compensate for the mpg drop.

My brother says the reason for the mpg drop is the alcohol evaporates faster in the tank from the heat/cooling cycle. That probably has some validity, but I don't know.
 
I thought I read once that the mixing actually takes place at the station.
This is true. 89 octane is a mixture of 87 and 91 octane and is done at the pumps. Originally they had dedicated tanks called straight meters. Although there are a few of these that still exist, most of today's pumps "blend" the 87 & 91 octanes together to make 89 octane.

I remember Sunoco used to offer about 7-8 different octanes when I was a teenager. It was a custom blend of variuos octanes. On the side of the pump was a dial for each grade of gas - you turned the dial to the octane you wanted then pumped the fuel. At one time they offered a 92 - 94 - 96 octane gasoline.
 
The computers in some cars will have knock sensors and will compensate for different octane.

:iagree:

The challenge is these knock sensors can retard performance without the driver knowing this. It is indeed healthy to use the correct fuel based upon the manufacturers suggestion for most every fill up.
 
Sunoco used to offer about 7-8 different octanes when I was a teenager. It was a custom blend of variuos octanes. On the side of the pump was a dial for each grade of gas - you turned the dial to the octane you wanted then pumped the fuel. At one time they offered a 92 - 94 - 96 octane gasoline.

(There is still one Sunoco 'filling-station' around my area offering the "custom-blended 104"...:xyxthumbs: )

As far as I know...Most OEM's still use the...(R+M)/2 method...for their '(hot)testing of engines'...for determining the optimum octane-range of their particular engines' fuel requirements.
(I learned right away that this is Not an applicable formula at DMAX's Duramax (diesel) engine plant in Moraine, Ohio!)

As mentioned: Unless there's been modifications...Go by the OEM-vehicles'-manuals fuel recommendations.
Doesn't always mean a: No hassel-on-warranty issues, though.

:)

Bob
 
I use 89 in my Hemi because it's what is recommended in my owners manual.

89 octane in a Hemi, not the 91 or 92? To your point, if that is what the owners manual is calling for, then go for it.
 
Run the octane that is recommended by the manufacturer, or what your car has been custom tuned for, otherwise you are just wasting money!
I agree. I put anything in my Ford which can run Flex Fuel. I only run "Top Tier" (i.e., detergent standard) premium in the Audi. Exxon and Shell are the only makers of Top Tier in my area. I prefer Chevron but we dont have it in Upstate SC.
 
My Prius like sthe 87, 89 wasnt as good on mileage. My F150 ran great on 89.
 
I have to drive 20 miles out of my way to find 93 octane ... unfortunately only two stations carry it here, and 93 is what I tune on when I have a track event.

My wife has a Prius and it runs much worse on mid-grade 89 (with 10% ethanol) than standard straight-up 87. It is a 10MPG difference ... which is a big deal in a hybrid.
 
Our three primary options are:

Unleaded 87 octane $3.55 (guess from gps app)
Super Unleaded 89 octane (10% corn) $3.35 (guess from gps app)
Premium 91 octane $3.75 (paid tonight)

We run 91 in all of our cars even if they do not call for 91. By our calculations, the percentage increase in mpg is greater than the increase in cost. Ex. I think 91 is generally about 5% more expensive then 87 but we get about 7-9% better gas mileage. I don't touch anything with corn in it because I do not appreciate the decreased mpg.

Also, it is my understanding, anything with ethanol in it has a decreased shelf life and during the summer my car can sit for 1-2 months with next to no miles, so it makes premium more of a no brainer.
 
First to answer the OP's question, Chrysler recommends 89 in both of my Hemis, and like many people have said best bet is to run what the manufacturer recommends or what your engine is tuned for. Second, to clear up a couple myths:

First, octane rating is a measure of a fuels resistance to auto-ignition which causes spark knock. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't burn any faster or slower. My understanding of how it is measured is there is a standardized engine set up that the engine is run in, the spark advance on the engine is set at the minimum possible without knock. The engine is than ran with a mixture of octane and some other standardized fuel that I don't remember and the proportion of octane to the other fuel is increased until the same result is achieved and the proportion of octane is what leads to the octane rating.

Second, every engine design has a set spark advance measured in degrees of crankshaft rotation before the piston hits the top of the cylinder head. The optimum point is different for each engine and depends on anything that can change temperature in the combustion chamber. That could be compression ratio, presence of turbocharger or intercooler, intake, exhaust, whatever. Ideally the sooner ignition the better for complete combustion and the most power per event. The downside to that is earlier combustion creates more heat and the potential for spark knock, hence higher octane fuels.

What a knock sensor does in an engine is if it senses knock it retards or delays ignition to protect the engine, but nets reduced performance. Some engines can learn if a higher than recommended octane is used and adapt to take advantage, but not many.

So E85 hurts in 2 ways, it makes the engine run less efficient due to the spark retardation and secondly but ethanol has less energy per gram than regular gasoline. So if you have a Flex Fuel engine you need to watch prices because it may not be an economical advantage.

Ok, end dissertation.
 
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