Modesta Glass Coatings

Bump, How is the durability. Ever see that truck again with all your coatings on it Joe?
 
bigbadbp7 said:
Bump, How is the durability. Ever see that truck again with all your coatings on it Joe?
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Modesta is holding up just fine 9 months later, pics below. I am also seeing 22ple holding up 1 year later on my old Merc. Plenty of washes on both of these. One garage kept the other not. Question is ????? is the Modesta worth the high price. Either the BC-03 or the 5 is a great product that will last and shine like crazy. You can physically tell there is something coating the surface. Same for the 22ple. The 22ple from Esoteric at another site, has a topper of Carnuba specifically supposed to be made for it, which came in a Polish Angel bottle. So that gave me thought and I tried the PA Cosmic on my Last car. It comes in and looks like a paste carnuba, but supposedly its a glass type coating. 2 months in total outside sun, harsher washings and its holding up pretty good. Not the exact coating shine as the others I don't think, but nothing to compare it too at the moment. I travel a lot. Since the Modesta is a silica resin base, I actually like to use their primer under the 22ple product. They work nicely together and increases the gloss.

Infrared lamp is optional on most. I did notice a slight increase in gloss on the front end of this car shown, but not enough to warrant the time that it takes to actually produce that result. Not worth that. Honestly I want to try the Pompanazzi korean product that you cannot get here. Seems like it is great, but trying to work that logistics detail. Will report if done.

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Velocitybts said:
Modesta is holding up just fine 9 months later, pics below. I am also seeing 22ple holding up 1 year later on my old Merc. Plenty of washes on both of these. One garage kept the other not. Question is ????? is the Modesta worth the high price. Either the BC-03 or the 5 is a great product that will last and shine like crazy. You can physically tell there is something coating the surface. Same for the 22ple. The 22ple from Esoteric at another site, has a topper of Carnuba specifically supposed to be made for it, which came in a Polish Angel bottle. So that gave me thought and I tried the PA Cosmic on my Last car. It comes in and looks like a paste carnuba, but supposedly its a glass type coating. 2 months in total outside sun, harsher washings and its holding up pretty good. Not the exact coating shine as the others I don't think, but nothing to compare it too at the moment. I travel a lot. Since the Modesta is a silica resin base, I actually like to use their primer under the 22ple product. They work nicely together and increases the gloss.

Infrared lamp is optional on most. I did notice a slight increase in gloss on the front end of this car shown, but not enough to warrant the time that it takes to actually produce that result. Not worth that. Honestly I want to try the Pompanazzi korean product that you cannot get here. Seems like it is great, but trying to work that logistics detail. Will report if done.

Pics below-----

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Thank you for all the info, a couple of questions:

-As to PA Cosmic & Esoteric wax, did you mean that the Esoteric is the paste like one or both of them?
- How do you find the durability of Cosmic?
 
Guessless said:
Thank you for all the info, a couple of questions:

-As to PA Cosmic & Esoteric wax, did you mean that the Esoteric is the paste like one or both of them?
- How do you find the durability of Cosmic?
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DI had Esoteric Carnuba Paste wax as a topper for the 22ple glass coatings. It was a product that was supposed to work in tandem with the coating to produce a deeper shine, and had the same chemicals used in making it so it would bond correctly. However it was like 135$, so ALOT. But tried it, due to my love of 22ple, and it came in a PA bottle with an additional label. PA didn't sell it, so I know it was made for Esoteric. Product is not avail anymore.

But that turned me onto the PA site, so thought I would try their glass coating. Surprise, surprise------ the coating is way different, its a silica resin based, but comes in a liquid paste just like their carnubas. Apply it just like a carnuba, then wait 30 mins and take off. They say to use their primer to make it 9h hard, but I didn't. So might make a diff. However it did gloss great, I only used one coat due to time. It was not quite as slick as 22ple, but did have the same hydrophobic effects.

Side note----- 3 months VA heat, kept outside on a black Maserati, washed by hand with appropriate shampoo, and dried with MT. I had it in for service and Washington DC Ferrari Maserati this past week and broke down and said wash it. ITs being sold this week. Well I washed it today, and well------ It beaded, but sheeted off right after. Not normal, leads me to believe that whatever the detail guys used at the dealer stripped it. Not sure, but it acted that way all over, which was not normal. So NO would not use again for those reasons. And yes will never again let a dealer touch it.

For me its going to be back to the Modesta primer and BC05 or the Modesta primer and 22ple over it. A must for wheels for me. Thats almost the best part :)

Hope this helps your decisions. I have no doubt Opticoats are great and Cq and Gtech are all great products and may try GTechnique but really love the 22ple. Easy to use, goes a long way, you can double the coating and prime it under for great effects. I use it on all CC wood trim panels, door jambs, under hood trunk etc...... wheels inside and out, NOT used it on glass or headlights or plastic. They do have a plastic one, and likely its the same but not done it.

HINT: a 30ml bottle or 20 cannot remember will do 2 cars. But my suggestion is get the 50ml pro and use it for all surfaces. Wheels and interior and you will have some left over. Mine lasted 6 months after using on the shelf.
 
Velocitybts said:
DI had Esoteric Carnuba Paste wax as a topper for the 22ple glass coatings. It was a product that was supposed to work in tandem with the coating to produce a deeper shine, and had the same chemicals used in making it so it would bond correctly. However it was like 135$, so ALOT. But tried it, due to my love of 22ple, and it came in a PA bottle with an additional label. PA didn't sell it, so I know it was made for Esoteric. Product is not avail anymore.

But that turned me onto the PA site, so thought I would try their glass coating. Surprise, surprise------ the coating is way different, its a silica resin based, but comes in a liquid paste just like their carnubas. Apply it just like a carnuba, then wait 30 mins and take off. They say to use their primer to make it 9h hard, but I didn't. So might make a diff. However it did gloss great, I only used one coat due to time. It was not quite as slick as 22ple, but did have the same hydrophobic effects.

Side note----- 3 months VA heat, kept outside on a black Maserati, washed by hand with appropriate shampoo, and dried with MT. I had it in for service and Washington DC Ferrari Maserati this past week and broke down and said wash it. ITs being sold this week. Well I washed it today, and well------ It beaded, but sheeted off right after. Not normal, leads me to believe that whatever the detail guys used at the dealer stripped it. Not sure, but it acted that way all over, which was not normal. So NO would not use again for those reasons. And yes will never again let a dealer touch it.

For me its going to be back to the Modesta primer and BC05 or the Modesta primer and 22ple over it. A must for wheels for me. Thats almost the best part :)

Hope this helps your decisions. I have no doubt Opticoats are great and Cq and Gtech are all great products and may try GTechnique but really love the 22ple. Easy to use, goes a long way, you can double the coating and prime it under for great effects. I use it on all CC wood trim panels, door jambs, under hood trunk etc...... wheels inside and out, NOT used it on glass or headlights or plastic. They do have a plastic one, and likely its the same but not done it.

HINT: a 30ml bottle or 20 cannot remember will do 2 cars. But my suggestion is get the 50ml pro and use it for all surfaces. Wheels and interior and you will have some left over. Mine lasted 6 months after using on the shelf.
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Thanks much for all the info,
Just in case you didn't know PA has a top up called Rapidwax which you'd use every 2-3 months to freshen up the Coating. OH and don't park the Maserati outside if you can.:props:
Thanks again
 
Alex Borda from Pure Shine LLC is the US rep for Modesta, you can contact him for any questions you have about Modesta
 
I'm currently having my new car coated with Modesta, I'll post the pictures and results as soon as it's done.
 
Joe@Superior Shine said:
Last Jan. I fully polished a black hood on a Ford Ranger that wore factory paint. I divided the hood into quarters and coated each quarter with a different coating. The four are Modesta, 22PLE, Opti Pro, regular Cquartz (not finest) No instructions where given to the vehicle owner on care or maintenance. There were coatings that were noticeably glossier than the others. 6 months into the test there was no change in appearance. Very light swirls were consistence across each coating. I plan on checking on the panel sometime very soon for gloss and durability.
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Ant updates on this? Curious to know the differences between coatings.
 
Hey guys,
Let me chime in. I am the current Modesta installer for the Carolinas. I can tell you that this product is different from others. It is not the easiest to apply, it is recommended to heat cure via IR lamps. I do this to all my coating applications, so doing it for Modesta is not a problem. I have coated three vehicles so far since training and I can say that they all three looked amazing. The first I just did its first maintenance wash on and as other have said, keeping soap and water on it is tough.
The clients have all been extremely pleased with the amount of gloss and shine out of the Modesta coatings.
You can actually feel during application the areas that have the coating and those that do not.
I personally will apply the primer on all of my installs and price that accordingly.
This is a professional applied coating only, they do not make any coatings for over the counter, personal use.
The hardness is not advertised, because the company does not feel that is a valid argument toward the coating itself. We all have seen the claims by other companies.
It is a premium product and the results show. It may not be the best for every client, but not every client wants coatings, that is why we offer variety.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/90930-mercedes-cls63-amg-swirled-out-mess.html

Here is a link to the last Modesta coating install that I did last week. This is with BC-04, which is based off the initial formula BC-03.

I will continue to offer this coating to my customers as well as other premium exclusive coatings.
 
Thanks guys, was really hoping to hear from Joe as he put 4 coatings on one car to test em out. Its been a year+ since the application so I was hoping to see long term results.

Im contemplating 22ple pro2 and cquartz uk.
 
Hey guys,
Just to clarify any confusion... I know that this thread and a link on my own site gets hit quite a bit on seeking answers about Modesta.
I was a partner with Alex in the distribution. I haven't been a distributor for about a year now. (has nothing to do with the products)

One thing I've learned over the years is it's not the coating that makes the difference. It's the responsible "After Care" that matters and can make or break any coating. That hasn't changed since the dawn of good detailing. Customers are still responsible for up-keep. Two bucket wash methods are still recommended along with a good understanding of how to care for an LSP. (and which one... wax, sealant, coating etc.)

Hardness will depend on paint type.
If you have a soft top coat,,, the coating will reject on possible light scratches and marring. Yes. but not invincible.
If you have an extremely hard top coat,,, you'll get a harder coating and better results. If that makes sense.
I would say this for just about any coatings on the market. You can't expect that a vehicle will not get damaged. Of course they will and if struck hard enough or maintained poorly... It will be damaged just like anything else.

Modesta Coatings are amazing and unique, no questions asked. (I would have never have gotten involved if not... 4 and half years ago) But so are most all coatings. They all have unique character traits and different water behavior properties. I think it is important to find out what a customer is looking for in "perceived value" and how they plan on caring for the vehicle thru the duration of the treatment first and foremost.

Here is a link to a few modesta cars I've done.
Modesta | aowheels detail

Giving the cost of the application...Time and effort... I've for the last several months been putting my clients on a lengthy questionnaire if their interest is leaning towards the Modesta Coatings or any coating, to make sure they are able to see the value in the long run and that it doesn't come back around to have my name and service be devalued. Which pretty much means, do you know how to maintain and care for the treatment. (Any coating treatment) some will be different.

I've seen amazing results with DIY coatings and I've seen amazing results with exclusive coatings. And I've seen the complete opposite under bad maintenance to both DIY and exclusive as well.

Its all in the PREP and AFTER CARE for ANY LSP.
 
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