More aggressive pad? Or more aggressive compound?

I do not even waste my time with those issues, I use the rotary, a 6" B&S backing plate and one of the B&S wool pads. Starting with the least aggressive (Low speed and least aggressive pad) then if need be finish with a DA. Of course I was born in 54 and learned on a rotary as that was all we had.

Dave
 
Paging Tony AKA cardaddy. He is located south of Atlanta. Maybe he could help out.
Uhhhh... ME? ;)

OP, I agree with the other post that the orange pad us likely *plenty* agressive enough.

OTOH... the 6.5" pads are both too big, as well as too heavy to be efficient with the Porter Cable. Well.... that and it cost a lot more to equip yourself with enough pads to get the job done than if you were using 5.5" pads. ;)

You said you did not have any other compounds?

It could be that you just need to reach that fine line with aggressiveness (both pads and compounds) to remove the water spots and that is were playing around with various choices will help.

I have *at least* five or six different ones from both Meguiars and Menzerna, but generally... D300 or FG400 will fix anything. Plus over 100 pads and GG, Rupes amd Flex buffers to choose from. :)

Are you sure the water spots are still on the surface? IOW's they haven't etched below surface into the base coat? (This is where the comment about "you may have to live with them" comes into play.) Sorry. :(

Also were they caused from rain, or washing the truck? (Although both tend to be soft water around here... especially down here where our pH is awesome for washing.) ;) Or God forbid were they caused by well and/or sprinkler water? Although here around Atlanta sprinkler water is the same as drinking water so that's usually not a problem.

I just say that because the worst water spots I've ever SEEN were caused on several of our vehicles in St Augustine by sprinkler water (well water from Hell) that was the hardest, most lime and calcium ridden water I've ever seen in my life!!!!! :eek:

Both of those vehicles had to be re polished (one with a compound AND polish) to remove the coating(s) and recoat, because of the damage from the stupid well water! Arrrrrgggghhh

I would be glad to look at it for you and we could experiment if you want. You will need to come to me though. ;) I'm literally 35 minutes south of the heart of downtown, I know that because I have to visit my back doctor every month and it takes me about 30 to 35 minutes to get there from my house. ;)

Left at Eagles Landing, 4 turns and 10 or so miles later your in front of my house. :)

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Very cool, thank you guys. Cardaddy, PM coming your way.
 
Might I suggest something that may assist you in getting rid of the water spots. Try Carpro Iron X or some brand equivalent. That alone may take care of your problem. I have been using an equivalent brand and it removes water spots with ease. If that doesn't work then use the advise of everyone here.
 
Might I suggest something that may assist you in getting rid of the water spots. Try Carpro Iron X or some brand equivalent. That alone may take care of your problem. I have been using an equivalent brand and it removes water spots with ease. If that doesn't work then use the advise of everyone here.

I trust your word, however I'm intrigued why iron x would do so? Maybe Funx650 knows?
 
I'll bring the beer!

Well Mike... we missed ya'. ;)

Tony......

Hope you didn't get into trouble with 'mama' when you go home. :) We just didn't have enough time to get into all the various problems and/or solutions. Too many products... not enough time or money to explore them all. :laughing:

Yours was wanting you home for dinner, and CarMomma was wanting me to fire up the grill. Had the big end of a 22 pound prime rib I'd saved (before cooking) to make us 3 HUGE 1½"+ ribeyes. DUDE... cracked open a 2002 bottle of (Stags Leap District) 'cab', and tore into those suckers.... both the wine and the steaks were SOOOOOOOO good! :D


Enough of that.....
Gotta' admit, love that color on your RAM. :xyxthumbs:

Hopefully the quick once over on SMAT vs DAT made sense.

Basically one cuts quick, but may not finish as well, (although on some paints it surely will) and the other cuts less overall (although a bit more on first pass) but once you work it down it generally will finish better.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzeeeee do me a favor though. Throw that 'water blade' away! ;)

Remember the drying towels I showed you, the Guzzler (the only one from AG), as well as the Korean Drying Towel (from a provider we can't mention, at a place we can't talk about, which charges a fraction of 'some' places.... is where MOST of the 300 or so towels you saw came from :D) are both GREAT drying towels.

We didn't get to talk about drying with a blower. Of course if you have the money to spend, the Metro Master Blaster (at ONLY $350) is da' bomb. But at well under a hundred bucks you can find a 12 amp electric blower that'll do a great job. When looking at those, don't look at MPH figures, instead look at the highest CFM figure with the highest MPH you can find. Toro makes some nice ones around $75 that last and last and last. :)

I've thought about pairing two of the Toro units, then running a flex hose and drying with that. I'm betting it'd put out a CHIT-load of air! :laughing: It'd be pretty easy to do, mount them on a board that'd fit your detailing cart, then plumb with a bit of PVC, then a long flex hose like a vacuum hose you find at the car wash.

Once you get a good LSP on your vehicles, you'll find that drying them takes literally minutes with a blower. You'll be able to get 99% of the water off with the blower, then with a touch of Auqawax and a good quality towel you'll be able to remove all the rest without a hint of those dreaded "water spots". :dblthumb2:

Glad that I was able to address your water spot problem. I've seen worse, actually a LOT worse. Yours are all still on the surface, (thankfully) and didn't seem to have etched into the clear, much less the base coat. :xyxthumbs:


Just to recap on how we got to where we finished at.
Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System 5 Inch Starter Kit, paint correction kit, dual action polishing kit

This is what I used that you liked the best.
autogeek_2271_170762102



D300 with the cutting pad.
The other side was Menzerna FG400 with an orange Lake Country CCS pad (to use pads that you've been used to).

Followed with D302 (not the D301 "Finishing Wax" that comes in the 'kit').
Although... I'm willing to bet I could have used it with the microfiber finishing pads to finish it out. It's pretty neat stuff!
*** I didn't however because I wanted to top it with a true sealant.***

Meguiars D30216 DA Microfiber Polish
meguiars-d30216-da-microfiber-polish-16-oz-7.gif

Then at the end I put a quick round of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 on the 'corrected' part.
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant delivers a deep, wet, liquid shimmer unlike anything you can imagine.
autogeek_2269_9173672

WGDGPS 3.0 isn't cheap... but its a REALLY good sealant! CarDaddy approved! :D
Next most similar would be Menzerna Power Lock.

Another good one, and a LOT more affordable is Meguiar's M21 2.0 Paint Sealant. It is a great sealant, that I use a lot... one that I've used since the "1.0" days. ;)

The REAL surprise for you I think though..... was just how good of a product Duragloss 951 Aquawax is. :D

Remember... I mentioned that Duragloss has this weird nomenclature where their gallons add a number, where 951 now becomes "952" (and so forth). ;)
128 oz. Duragloss Aquawax (AW) #952
autogeek_2269_69170994

The fact that you can use Aquawax for a drying aid makes it cool enough. But that you can use it as a stand alone spray wax/sealant is pretty darned cool! :dblthumb2: The look, gloss, and feel/slickness is truly amazing. Then add that it is SUCH an affordable product and it's a win-win. The longevity is an absolute bonus! :D

If you'll pick up Duragloss Fast Clean & Shine you'll really like it as a QD spray, (WITH SOME GOOD TOWELS).
128 oz. Duragloss Fast Clean & Shine Detail Spray #923
autogeek_2271_90000153

But it's when you mix it 75/25 with Aquawax you end up with an astoundingly good product!:dblthumb2:
(Which is what I'm thinking the new "waterless" product is pretty darned close to.)

duragloss-aquawax-waterless-wash-n-wax-971-1.gif

The one thing I forgot to mention to you was to go ahead and order at least half a dozen Meguiar's spray bottles (if not a dozen) from Autogeek. They are BY FAR the best quality, at the best prices you'll find in a spray bottle. Plus being able to get some that are pre-printed with the product you're using, then the generic bottles have even been printed with a label that takes magic marker writing and holds it well.
Meguiar's Detailing Spray Bottles 6 Pack- Your Choice!
WOW... they've jumped up to $25 for six I see. :eek: (All the ones I have were more like $16.)

autogeek_2270_112363803




Now when you get ready to do that C6.... I could be talked into a 'training day'. ;)
Although... it'd be a CHORE to get that thing done, start to finish, in a single day. She's a prime candidate for a coating, but that means a VERY thorough buffing first. Just no need to coat paint that hasn't been at least 95% corrected. Especially a garage queen like that beauty! :props: Now if you were to have it decontaminated, like with IRON-X, washed and cleaned, then in a long day you could probably get most of it done. Just takes a ton of time to prep and tape.

Going at it with a couple buffers it'd still be a 2 day job most likely. Just depends on where it's at, and where it needs to be. Stuff like tight areas, in and around the taillights, door handles, side gills, etc. Well... that and whether or not it'd need a multi-step correction.

I can say though that were it *mine*..... it'd get at least D300 followed by FF4000. Then there may be something in between on critical areas.

Could save the wheels for later. Those you'd want to pull off and coat for SURE. :)
Once you coat your wheels you'll wonder why you never did it before. ;)
 
The one thing I forgot to mention to you was to go ahead and order at least half a dozen Meguiar's spray bottles (if not a dozen) from Autogeek. They are BY FAR the best quality, at the best prices you'll find in a spray bottle. Plus being able to get some that are pre-printed with the product you're using, then the generic bottles have even been printed with a label that takes magic marker writing and holds it well.
Meguiar's Detailing Spray Bottles 6 Pack- Your Choice!
WOW... they've jumped up to $25 for six I see. :eek: (All the ones I have were more like $16.)

autogeek_2270_112363803


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Well Mike... we missed ya'. ;)

Tony......

Hope you didn't get into trouble with 'mama' when you go home. :) We just didn't have enough time to get into all the various problems and/or solutions. Too many products... not enough time or money to explore them all. :laughing:

Yours was wanting you home for dinner, and CarMomma was wanting me to fire up the grill. Had the big end of a 22 pound prime rib I'd saved (before cooking) to make us 3 HUGE 1½"+ ribeyes. DUDE... cracked open a 2002 bottle of (Stags Leap District) 'cab', and tore into those suckers.... both the wine and the steaks were SOOOOOOOO good! :D


Enough of that.....
Gotta' admit, love that color on your RAM. :xyxthumbs:

Hopefully the quick once over on SMAT vs DAT made sense.

Basically one cuts quick, but may not finish as well, (although on some paints it surely will) and the other cuts less overall (although a bit more on first pass) but once you work it down it generally will finish better.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzeeeee do me a favor though. Throw that 'water blade' away! ;)

Remember the drying towels I showed you, the Guzzler (the only one from AG), as well as the Korean Drying Towel (from a provider we can't mention, at a place we can't talk about, which charges a fraction of 'some' places.... is where MOST of the 300 or so towels you saw came from :D) are both GREAT drying towels.

We didn't get to talk about drying with a blower. Of course if you have the money to spend, the Metro Master Blaster (at ONLY $350) is da' bomb. But at well under a hundred bucks you can find a 12 amp electric blower that'll do a great job. When looking at those, don't look at MPH figures, instead look at the highest CFM figure with the highest MPH you can find. Toro makes some nice ones around $75 that last and last and last. :)

I've thought about pairing two of the Toro units, then running a flex hose and drying with that. I'm betting it'd put out a CHIT-load of air! :laughing: It'd be pretty easy to do, mount them on a board that'd fit your detailing cart, then plumb with a bit of PVC, then a long flex hose like a vacuum hose you find at the car wash.

Once you get a good LSP on your vehicles, you'll find that drying them takes literally minutes with a blower. You'll be able to get 99% of the water off with the blower, then with a touch of Auqawax and a good quality towel you'll be able to remove all the rest without a hint of those dreaded "water spots". :dblthumb2:

Glad that I was able to address your water spot problem. I've seen worse, actually a LOT worse. Yours are all still on the surface, (thankfully) and didn't seem to have etched into the clear, much less the base coat. :xyxthumbs:


Just to recap on how we got to where we finished at.
Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System 5 Inch Starter Kit, paint correction kit, dual action polishing kit

This is what I used that you liked the best.
autogeek_2271_170762102



D300 with the cutting pad.
The other side was Menzerna FG400 with an orange Lake Country CCS pad (to use pads that you've been used to).

Followed with D302 (not the D301 "Finishing Wax" that comes in the 'kit').
Although... I'm willing to bet I could have used it with the microfiber finishing pads to finish it out. It's pretty neat stuff!
*** I didn't however because I wanted to top it with a true sealant.***

Meguiars D30216 DA Microfiber Polish
meguiars-d30216-da-microfiber-polish-16-oz-7.gif

Then at the end I put a quick round of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 on the 'corrected' part.
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant delivers a deep, wet, liquid shimmer unlike anything you can imagine.
autogeek_2269_9173672

WGDGPS 3.0 isn't cheap... but its a REALLY good sealant! CarDaddy approved! :D
Next most similar would be Menzerna Power Lock.

Another good one, and a LOT more affordable is Meguiar's M21 2.0 Paint Sealant. It is a great sealant, that I use a lot... one that I've used since the "1.0" days. ;)

The REAL surprise for you I think though..... was just how good of a product Duragloss 951 Aquawax is. :D

Remember... I mentioned that Duragloss has this weird nomenclature where their gallons add a number, where 951 now becomes "952" (and so forth). ;)
128 oz. Duragloss Aquawax (AW) #952
autogeek_2269_69170994

The fact that you can use Aquawax for a drying aid makes it cool enough. But that you can use it as a stand alone spray wax/sealant is pretty darned cool! :dblthumb2: The look, gloss, and feel/slickness is truly amazing. Then add that it is SUCH an affordable product and it's a win-win. The longevity is an absolute bonus! :D

If you'll pick up Duragloss Fast Clean & Shine you'll really like it as a QD spray, (WITH SOME GOOD TOWELS).
128 oz. Duragloss Fast Clean & Shine Detail Spray #923
autogeek_2271_90000153

But it's when you mix it 75/25 with Aquawax you end up with an astoundingly good product!:dblthumb2:
(Which is what I'm thinking the new "waterless" product is pretty darned close to.)

duragloss-aquawax-waterless-wash-n-wax-971-1.gif

The one thing I forgot to mention to you was to go ahead and order at least half a dozen Meguiar's spray bottles (if not a dozen) from Autogeek. They are BY FAR the best quality, at the best prices you'll find in a spray bottle. Plus being able to get some that are pre-printed with the product you're using, then the generic bottles have even been printed with a label that takes magic marker writing and holds it well.
Meguiar's Detailing Spray Bottles 6 Pack- Your Choice!
WOW... they've jumped up to $25 for six I see. :eek: (All the ones I have were more like $16.)

autogeek_2270_112363803




Now when you get ready to do that C6.... I could be talked into a 'training day'. ;)
Although... it'd be a CHORE to get that thing done, start to finish, in a single day. She's a prime candidate for a coating, but that means a VERY thorough buffing first. Just no need to coat paint that hasn't been at least 95% corrected. Especially a garage queen like that beauty! :props: Now if you were to have it decontaminated, like with IRON-X, washed and cleaned, then in a long day you could probably get most of it done. Just takes a ton of time to prep and tape.

Going at it with a couple buffers it'd still be a 2 day job most likely. Just depends on where it's at, and where it needs to be. Stuff like tight areas, in and around the taillights, door handles, side gills, etc. Well... that and whether or not it'd need a multi-step correction.

I can say though that were it *mine*..... it'd get at least D300 followed by FF4000. Then there may be something in between on critical areas.

Could save the wheels for later. Those you'd want to pull off and coat for SURE. :)
Once you coat your wheels you'll wonder why you never did it before. ;)
Cardaddy, you're blowing me away man!! I can't believe after all the time you spent showing me the ropes that you would do a comprehensive write up as well! Can y'all believe this guy? I can't thank you enough! I have already ordered the Meg kit, and I will order the towels and Aquawax in short order. I have a blow dryer. I tried it once and I didn't like using it because it blew up so much dust and debris. Maybe I did it wrong since you knowledgeable guys swear by them.

At this point, I'm not sure I want to seal the paint on the Vette. As I understand it, I would get a really glossy finish by doing that. I prefer a really deep rich finish instead. If this doesn't make sense, feel free to tell me, I am new to this. I'm thinking that after I polish and wax it with the Souveran that I already have, I'll make that decision.
 
Cardaddy, you're blowing me away man!! I can't believe after all the time you spent showing me the ropes that you would do a comprehensive write up as well! Can y'all believe this guy? I can't thank you enough! I have already ordered the Meg kit, and I will order the towels and Aquawax in short order. I have a blow dryer. I tried it once and I didn't like using it because it blew up so much dust and debris. Maybe I did it wrong since you knowledgeable guys swear by them.

At this point, I'm not sure I want to seal the paint on the Vette. As I understand it, I would get a really glossy finish by doing that. I prefer a really deep rich finish instead. If this doesn't make sense, feel free to tell me, I am new to this. I'm thinking that after I polish and wax it with the Souveran that I already have, I'll make that decision.

You'll LOVE working with the Megs correction compound and cutting pads!:xyxthumbs: Just remember how I showed you to clean them with air. ;) Go at least twice, spinning in each direction, going inside out, then outside in.

Cleaning them with air is something that we just can't do effectively with air and a foam pad. But the really neat part about using air as a 'cleaner' is it also COOLS them. :dblthumb2:

This is why when I was talking about using foam pads I went through how many we need to do correction, not because the pad is wearing out, or even filling up with spent product, considering we're "cleaning on the fly" after EVERY section is completed (be that 4 passes or 10). We have the fact that the pad constantly builds up heat INSIDE.

Quite a bit of that heat is generated by friction between the pad and the backing plate. You can check that by feeling the backing plate after you've done 10~12 passes with a compound. It'll be WARM. (Remember the one I showed you? I left a guy for just a few minutes while I went inside to wee, and get another glass of tea and when I got back out there he'd melted a pad, AND done that to the backing plate.)

This is why I stressed swapping out pads so often. This is ALSO a time when you can take a bit of air and blow the backing plate to help cool it a bit. Even so... when using foam pads you still need to have quite a few, then do the FIFO (first in first out) method.

But when you swap to microfiber pads, you can easily use half as many pads just because you're cleaning AND COOLING them after every few section passes. Win win! :)

The pads I showed you I've been using since 2013. ;)

Just don't use them too long, clean them often, and MAKE SURE you're not building up heat internally.

If you are wondering when to swap out your pads, pull them from the backing plate, and place the BACK of the pad against your cheek. (Or the inside of your forearm.) I find the cheek is a bit more sensitive in that respect. If the pad is more than just barely warm, it's time to swap it out. Pads (while not cheap) are indeed cheap when compared to buying a new backing plate, and ESPECIALLY when looking at possible damage to your paint from one coming apart while you're buffing. :eek:

Glad to hear you guys were able to make contact. Sounds like you guys had a really great time.

Thanks for following up Tony.

Hey... thanks for sending me the heads up Mike! :props:

Yeah... I think it was a productive couple of hours. Not as much work as I'd like to have gotten done, lots of talking. :rolleyes: Although... what Tony didn't realize at the time was that I was waiting for his hood to cool before working on test spots. ;)

Tony...
Sorry to hear about your fubar when working with the blower.... that must have REALLY ticked you off. :eek:

I'll wash, then dry and finish in two different areas. Just don't like crawling around in the wet once the wash is over.

What I usually do is BEFORE I wash I'll blow off the driveway where I intend to use the blower. That usually takes care of it. Of course you can blow it, then rinse it if it's really bad.

Then after I've washed, BEFORE I move the car from the area that is all wet, I'll do the first blow there. Always start at the top, holding the blower over your head if need be, top, glass, hood, trunk, sides, working down, till I get to the wheels, then work them and the wheel wells.

Once it's 95% blown off I'll move it to a dry area. That helps both move the wheels, and get other areas that may tend to drip resituated, (and hopefully get most of the water drained, or at least draining from those areas). Then I can get into the tight areas, open the hood, trunk, doors etc. and get all those done as well as the cracks and crevices like around the headlights, tail lights, trim, running lights, and attack the wheels again.

Honestly... I've never had a problem blowing dust all over. (Must be that blowing off the driveway first thing.) ;)

You'll really enjoy having some GOOD 360 GSM microfiber towels. If you call Ian (at the place I told you.... that we name... and can't talk about) ;) to make the order tell him I sent ya'... ask him for some samples. ;) Sometimes it takes a few calls to get them on the phone (instead of leaving a message) but it's worth it in the long run. Something to be said for saving $1.77 each... considering for $5.53 more you can get 24 (instead of 12 of a VERY similar towel). The NEAT PART about calling them is you can mix and match colors! :) Pick up a few black, or blue ones for that 'dirty' work, then the rest in gold or white for the top / corrected paint work.

If you plan on doing any rinseless washing, I'd highly suggest getting AT LEAST a dozen of the 530 GSM units. They're awesome towels, and even make decent drying towels. Never mind the almost $30 price savings over a dozen 'similar' towels (that I showed you). ;) Winner winner chicken dinner. :D

Full disclosure.... shipping is an issue when ordering anywhere other than Autogeek, as at least some of the time (like on $150 orders) you get free shipping. But for the savings involved on towels it's a serious non issue. ;)

I was... thinking about doing another large order from the 'other' of the two places I told you about. ;) Not my favorite place, but hey... change is good for the soul, right. :)
Maybe some 420's, perhaps some others that have a 'personality' (in purple). ;) :dunno: Funny thing about those guys though... they DO NOT have a toll free number (where Ian does). ;) Then when you get to looking... wholesale has shipping charges, retail doesn't, saving a whopping $5 on a $138 order, having a $100 minimum, paying shipping, and going wholesale isn't exactly an incentive. :rolleyes:

I understand what you're saying about wax vs a coating. That however is NOT to say that a coating on that black C6 wouldn't look absolutely STUNNING. The protection is fantastic, and *some* of them you can top with a hybrid wax (which 98% of them are these days). :)

I certainly wouldn't think that you couldn't put Meguiar's #26 on top of a coating. Considering the DOI rating is off the charts it'd 'pop' for sure.

Another idea that just came to mind.... I'm willing to bet you'd really like 3D's HD Nitro Seal. It's been around for quite a while, and from the reviews is outstanding. The only drawback is because of how the product is made, and being a two-part system, that once the bottle(s) is/are opened you have to use it all within 30 days or so. They are so concerned with oxygen that they fill the bottles with nitrogen. As for the product going bad (getting hard in the bottle)... there are coatings that do the same thing FWIW.

I've read that the kit can do anywhere from 3 to 10 vehicles, but considering the protection of up to a year, (*much longer on garage queens*) $59.99 for only 2 vehicles isn't the worst thing in the world. ;)

The trick with Nitro Seal is thin, thin, THIN when applying it.
[URL="http://www.autogeek.net/3d-hd-nitro-seal-paint-sealanit.html"]http://www.autogeek.net/3d-hd-nitro-seal-paint-sealanit.html[/URL]

Thing is... for that kind of money you can get a coating, and nothing protects like it.
The look is extremely glossy, slick, and doesn't mute color at all. The only difference (in feeling) between a coating and a pure 'wax' is one is more tactile, where the other is a bit more sterile. Then if you really like that sensual, silky feeling then todays sealants come to mind.

My Cadillac (that you felt) has either WGDGPS (2.0 not the newer 3.0) or Megs M21 2.0, honestly can't remember as it was done over a year ago. But you could still 'feel' how a sealant feels beneath the fingers. Of course the test spot on your RAM was MUCH more tactile being as it's the WG 3.0 version and brand new. It'll continue to cure for a couple more weeks when it's dry outside. Curious to see how it cures in the every-friggin-day rain we've had as of late. :rolleyes:

The one benefit of a coating that really pays you back down the road is the vehicle just doesn't tend to get dirty. Dusty... sure. But everything rinses right off. Hit it with a bit of foam from your gun or ESPECIALLY a cannon, let it dwell for a bit, then do a pressure washer rinse (just a little electric one, not a big bad gas powered one) and the dust you get from driving around just rinses off.

Speaking of foaming... and just how easy it is to wash with a coated vehicle... this is where you'd LOVE to grab yourself one of the CarPro Merino mitts for your Vette. :D
Merino wool wash mitt, auto wash mitt, sheepskin wash mitt

This lil' puppy is probably THE BEST 'freebie' that Autogeek has ever sent me. :dblthumb2:
Been promised all sorts of goodies, last couple orders had bumpkis (was supposed to be something "up to $1000) and only had a few towels. Which I surely didn't need... as you might have noticed. :laughing:

Oh well.... enough of that.
 
Thanks for that info CD, that gives me even more to think about.
 
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