More power on a 7336?

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I posted this comment in the introduce yourself section, but thought it might be appropriate here also.


When I started reading up on removing swirls and how the Random orbital polishers are the way to go for novices and Porter Cable was highly recommended I remembered I had purchased a PC 7336 many years ago for buffing a lacquer job that I had sprayed on some custom furniture. Headed to my shop and lo and behold there it was used once still in the box. According to reviews PC came out with the 7424 and boosted the motor to 4.2 amps to give this polisher more power. Mine is still a 3.7 amp motor and I did what Mike Phillips suggested and marked the pad with a felt tip marker to make sure it was rotating. I must say that when the 5 1/2 in pad is flat and polishing I laid on it a few times and I could not make the pad stop and I weigh a little over 200 lbs. This baby has got all the power you could ever use. Not sure if it's a case of them not making things like they use to or what. Someday I will borrow a friends 7424 to see the difference, but on number 5 or 6 you have one hell of a time stopping this pad completely.
 
Hmm interesting. My only experience with polishers is in the detailing world. Thats interesting if you can't stop the pad, it might not have a clutch system in it is the only thing I can think of.
 
I have one of those older units and it does fine with the smaller pads.
 
I have an old 7336 and it works fine. With larger pads it is easier to stop the pad from spinning but it is a good unit. I've had mine for years (7 or 8 I think)
 
I have done a little research on my 7336 sander today and this is what I found. My sander is at least 12 to 15 years old and the plate calls it a 7336 HD type 1 ro sander,3.7 amps 2500 to 6000 opm. They do sell a type 2, 7336 with a 4 amp motor now with the same opm speeds. I actually called Porter Cable and talked to a tech rep and he told me these old pc's were real workhorses but the type 2 should have even more power. I asked about the clutch and he said there is no clutch. If the 7424xp has 4.5 amp motor it must be a bear because starting this up on speed 6 and holding the pad with a towel as hard as I could it still was turning. I am not complaining just curious as to how much power these polishers are suppose to have. This baby really gets the job done for an RO.
 
I had 7346 that Lowes sells and I had to take it back because it would not spin unless you were applying wax.
 
I had 7346 that Lowes sells and I had to take it back because it would not spin unless you were applying wax.

Thats odd Mark because the 7346 is the model that is supposed to be exactly like the 7424, which has more power than mine. How did you resolve your problem?
 
Thats odd Mark because the 7346 is the model that is supposed to be exactly like the 7424, which has more power than mine. How did you resolve your problem?
Simple resolution,,,took it back to Lowes.
 
I have an old 7336 and it works fine. With larger pads it is easier to stop the pad from spinning but it is a good unit. I've had mine for years (7 or 8 I think)

Same here, it just keeps on keepin' on. I put 4" pads on it and use the Griot's or Cyclo for large areas.
 
I wonder if it was due to the latter models being made in China vs. the originals being US made. Perhaps the specs are not reported the same on the Chinese units?

My 7336 (Meguiar's G100) is over 16 years old and I can't stop it from rotating easily either. Darn tough machine and I dread the day it finally dies. It might just outlast me though. LOL. In all these years this PC has seen heavy use and the only maintenance has been a few sets of brushes and a power cord or two.
 
I wonder if it was due to the latter models being made in China vs. the originals being US made. Perhaps the specs are not reported the same on the Chinese units?

My 7336 (Meguiar's G100) is over 16 years old and I can't stop it from rotating easily either. Darn tough machine and I dread the day it finally dies. It might just outlast me though. LOL. In all these years this PC has seen heavy use and the only maintenance has been a few sets of brushes and a power cord or two.

That was my thought all along Jim. Having been in the const field for many years I use PC palm sanders all the time and I have at least 4 that are 15 years old and I have burned up maybe 3 that are 5 years old or less. Think I'll hang onto to my old 7336.
 
I wonder if it was due to the latter models being made in China vs. the originals being US made. Perhaps the specs are not reported the same on the Chinese units?

My 7336 (Meguiar's G100) is over 16 years old and I can't stop it from rotating easily either. Darn tough machine and I dread the day it finally dies. It might just outlast me though. LOL. In all these years this PC has seen heavy use and the only maintenance has been a few sets of brushes and a power cord or two.

I also have a G100, was wondering about maintenance of it. Did you change the brushes yourself? Where parts? Anything else to do to it.

Thanks,
Larry
 
I also have a G100, was wondering about maintenance of it. Did you change the brushes yourself? Where parts? Anything else to do to it.

Thanks,
Larry

I have a close friend who runs an Ace hardware store. Many ACE stores are certified P-C repair centers and he services it every year or two.
 
Seems that back when I purchased mine (MANY years ago) the 7424 & 7336 were identical other than the counterweights. The 7336 had the weight for a 6" pad and the 7424 for the 5" pad.
 
I am going to link these pages together so that in the future these pages are easier to find. Hopefully this will help someone in the future that may be wanting to purchase a PC polisher.



The above link takes you to another thread here at AG.

The following link will take you directly to a PC compairson chart on their website...here's that link
Porter-Cable

There was a fourth model I wanted to place on that page, but the PC website would only allow three units for comparison at a time. I'm pretty sure I picked the 3 most powerful units that PC offers at this time (2011-2012)

Also the 7346sp carried at Lowe's is now listed @ $99, everyday.
 
Thanks, I'll check with my local store

I have a close friend who runs an Ace hardware store. Many ACE stores are certified P-C repair centers and he services it every year or two.
 
Seems that back when I purchased mine (MANY years ago) the 7424 & 7336 were identical other than the counterweights.

That was my understanding.


The 7336 had the weight for a 6" pad and the 7424 for the 5" pad.

The PC was never originally sold as a paint polisher but was a wood sander. Later, after Meguiar's made it popular as a paint polisher Porter Cable started selling it as a paint polisher.

With that in mind, the original use of the counterweight(s) was for a thin sanding disc, not a thick foam pad. I'm not sure there's anything to the point of view that you need a different counterweight for different sizes of foam pads.

Neither the Griot's Garage 6" ROP nor the Meguiar's G110v2 use a design for a changeable counterweight and the tools work just fine.


From my article,

The Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly - The Story Behind The Story...


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A reply from Porter Cable taken from page 9 of this thread,
Griots Garage ROP vs PC 7424XP


I recently fielded our collective question about what the industry term might be for the 'mechanism':

My question to Porter-Cable
What is the mechanism called that causes the polisher to stop rotation when excessive pressure is exerted upon it?

Some of us are having a discussion on an online auto detailing forum and I incorrectly referred to the mechanism as a 'clutch' (such as my drill has). I'd like to clarify this for the sake of accuracy.

Thanks."​


Porter-Cable's reply
Dear James, we believe the following information addresses your inquiry. The pad itself may stop rotating temporarily with excessive pressure, because it is mounted into a free-floating Spindle Bearing Assembly. However the overall mechanism is fixed & therefore never stops orbiting when the machine is running, unless something is damaged or worn.

So there you have it. I guess our 'mechanism' is called a "free-floating Spindle Bearing Assembly"


Thank you to MisterShark for taking the initiative to contact Porter Cable and get their definition, explanation and description of how the mechanism works that makes the Porter Cable DA Polishers both safe, effective and unique.

Note the Meguiar's versions and the Griot's Garage Versions of the Porter Cable Polisher use a similar design, that is these two other polishers also use a Free Floating Spindle Assembly.


In the below pictures, I'm pointing to what's referred to as the Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly of a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher.

Porter Cable 7424XP with the Backing Plate Removed Exposing the
Counterweight and Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly
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Close-up
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From Hand to Machine
In the last 15 to 20 years a lot of people have made the switch from working by hand to working by machine because it's faster and more effective, especially on modern day clear coat paints.


Clear Coat Paints Are Scratch-Sensitive
Modern clear coat paints last longer than traditional single stage paints like the lacquers and enamels that were used to paint cars from the time the Model T was introduced till the early 1980's. In the early 1980's car manufactures began switching over to a new paint system called Basecoat/Clearcoat where the color coat or pigmented layer of paint is sprayed onto the car first and then a layer of clear paint is sprayed over the top of the color coat. Besides being a different approach, the resin used to make the paint changed also.


Longer Lasting
The results are paints that resist oxidation, (oxidation was a huge problem with single stage paints), and last much longer over the service life of the vehicle as compared to single stage paints.


Scratch-Sensitive = Easily Scratched = Eyesore
The problem is people confuse last longer with look good longer and these are two very different things. A modern clear coat finish can last a long time but that doesn't mean it will look good over this period of time. You see clear coat paints are scratch-sensitive, that means even though they tend to be harder than traditional single stage lacquers and enamels, they still scratch very easily and the swirls and scratches show up easily to our eyes because the scratches tend to be opaque or whitish in color and because of this, the colored or pigmented layer reveals and even showcases the swirls and scratches to your eyes making the finish on your car an eyesore in the sun.


The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints

Early 1965 Mustang with single stage paint and a modern Mustang with a basecoat/clear coat finish
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Frustration with clearcoat paints
Now let me tie this back to why machine polishing has become so much more popular since clear coat paints were introduced.

As more and more cars being manufactured made their way into the market, as car owners, or in other words, do-it-yourselfers, would try the traditional methods of removing defects out of the paint, that is with traditional rubbing and polishing compounds, they would find that most of these products may remove defects but leave their own defects in the paint at the same time.

Not only that, but because generally speaking, modern clear coats are harder than single stage paints, the energy, time and skill required to actually remove defects out of clear coat paints increased dramatically, and in fact increased to the point that many people attempting to remove defects and restore a shine like their car had when they bought it brand new, left most people feeling frustrated and their cars no better off than when they started and often times worse.


Enter the Porter Cable DA Sander
That's right, I said sander! The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander is the tool that became the Tipping Point that was the driving force behind the average person switching from working by hand to working by machine.


The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander with Wood Dust Collecting Attachment for Sanding Wood
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Sanding the old finish off using a Porter Cable Dual Action Sander
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The exact same tool only outfitted with a foam polishing pad for machine polishing automotive clear coat paints
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The story behind the story...
Here's why the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher switched people from working by hand to working by machine
1) Safe - Uses a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly for a drive mechanism

2) Faster - Faster and more effective at removing swirls compared to working by hand

Safe - Uses a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly for a drive mechanism
This in my opinion, is the key feature that gave the average person the confidence to work on their car's paint by machine. The biggest fear people have about using a machine to polish their car's paint is the fear of burning though the paint or instilling swirls.

The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander overcomes these problems by using what we now refer to as a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly. This is a unique drive mechanism that will rotate and oscillate a buffing pad at the same time enabling the user to remove swirls, water spots and scratches while at the same time if too much pressure is applied to the buffing pad or if it's held on edge or on top of a body line the pad will simply stop rotating thus prevent the pad from harming the paint.

Faster and more effective at removing swirls compared to working by hand
Besides being safe, it goes without saying that the speed and effectiveness were and still are very important reasons that people accustomed to working by hand switch over to working by machine. Typically, as a person uses the Internet to do research on how to remove swirls out of there car's clear coat finish they discover these things called discussion forums and after a little targeted reading they learn about the Porter Cable Dual Action polisher, commonly referred to as the DA Polisher.

To see how safe these tools really are, check out this video where I place extreme pressure to the back of my hand using a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher

Pushing down as hard as I can




That's the story behind the story as to why Dual Action Polishers like the Porter Cable 7424XP, the Meguiar's G110v2 and the Griot's Garage ROP have become so popular.


Yesterday's Trend... Today's Norm...
Today, DA Polishers are the most popular tool among do-it-yourselfers crossing over from working by hand to working by machine. Many Professional Detailers also use the DA Polisher for their follow-up polishing steps after using a rotary buffer to do the major correction work. These tools are the easiest tools to learn how to use and so safe that even my son Rand is able to operate one safely on Nate Truman's 1966 Batmobile Recreation.

Photo courtesy of LacViet Photography
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So if you're still working by hand... check out the dual action polisher and see if you're ready to move up to machine polishing.


Video Resources
How to remove swirls, scratches and water spots using a DA Polisher


Dual Action Polishers that use Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies

Porter Cable 7424XP
4.5 AMP
500 Watt Motor
5 pounds
3 Year Limited Warranty - 1 Year Free Service - 90 Days Money Back


Griot's Garage Random Orbital Polisher
7.0 AMP
850 Watt Motor
5.5 pounds
Griot's Lifetime Warranty


Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher
2.0 AMP
240 Watt Motor
Griot's Lifetime Warranty


Meguiar's G110v2
4.2 AMP
430 Watt Motor
5 pounds
1 Year Limited Warranty



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The below is an excerpt taken from this article...

How to choose the right polisher for your detailing project

Dual Action Polishers With Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies
Ease of Use Ranking: 1

These are without a doubt the easiest electric polisher to learn how to use and master in the shortest amount of time. The biggest benefit is they are absolutely user friendly in that because of their free rotating spindle assemblies you can't burn through the paint nor can you instill swirls as long as you're using DA approved pads and products and of course good technique with a little common sense.

They are lightweight, easy to control and easy to use on both horizontal panels as well as vertical panels.

They are versatile in that you can use them to remove swirls, polish paint to a high gloss, apply a wax or paint sealant and even use them to remove the wax or paint sealant after it's dried.

If you've always used your hand to take care of your car's paint or a Traditional Orbital Buffer, then a DA Polisher is a great next step in your detailing evolution.

Commonly referred to as Dual Action Polishers or DA style polishers, these polishers are great for,

  • People new to machine polishing
  • People looking for a safe, but more powerful polisher as compared to a Traditional Orbital Buffer
  • People who only take care of their own car or their family's cars.
  • Anyone wanting to start a part-time or full-time detailing business
  • Anyone with a detailing business that wants to add a DA Style polisher to their arsenal.
  • People that work in body shops looking for a tool to insure swirl free finish.
  • Teenage boys and girls interested in the detailing hobby
  • Boat owners looking for a better way to maintain their boat
  • RV owners looking for a better and faster way to maintain their RVs
  • Airplane owners looking for a safer, faster way to maintain their airplane's finish
Dual Action Polishers are both great entry level polishers and tools seasoned professionals use to create a true, swirl-free, show car finish.

There's lots of options when it comes to designs, sizes and types of buffing pads for these tools with new pads being introduced all the time.

All the DA Polishers offered by Autogeek.net are quality tools that will help you to maintain your cars better and faster.


DA Polishers with Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies

From left to right...
Porter Cable 7424XP - Meguiar's G110v2 - Griot's Garage ROP - Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher
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Close-ups...
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Not only are Dual Action Polishers a great way to transition over from working by hand to working by machine, you can take care of your own cars, trucks, s.u.v.'s, boats, motorhomes and just about anything with paint on it. You can also start a part-time detailing business and recoup your investment after detailing only a few cars .

Check out our forum for making money detailing cars...

How to earn money detailing cars...

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