Mother’s CMX is here!

[392hemi]

Here's another quick water video just to get some out there.


(Lots of wind noise)
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For you and guys that have this and the Megs HCW, how do they compare in regards to water behavior and application/wipe off. I'm referring to wipe on application not spraying it with water.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

For you and guys that have this and the Megs HCW, how do they compare in regards to water behavior and application/wipe off. I'm referring to wipe on application not spraying it with water.

Both are thick, I think Meg's wipes off easier and this could be because it's closer designed to be applied wet when mother's is not but mother's is slicker. Meg's has rounder beads it looks like but mother's rids more water overall.

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[rlmccarty2000]

Got around to testing CMX today. I had some Jescar Compound and Finishing polish that I was given to test so I was able to test everything at once.

Here is a picture of Moonlight on the left and CMX on the right.

The picture doesn’t really show much difference between the two. Moonlight is a bit darker and CMX is a bit slicker. I was going to use Cancoat on half instead of Moonlight, but there are two other tests already using Cancoat for comparison. I know Moonlight will give me 6+ months of protection from previous tests.

Application of CMX is a breeze. Just spray on to the surface, spread with a microfiber, wait a minute, buff off. There was no streaking or drama of any sort. As CMX gets into the hands of people that are not used to applying these types of products we may hear different reports. I made sure my panel was clean of any other products.

The gloss was very good, as good as any coating lite or topper I have ever applied. Durability will have to be determined but from other tests it looks like a very good product. I will reserve final judgement for awhile. All too often a product does not live up to the hype, but at the price of $20 for 24 ounces I will give this product the “BUY” rating. No need to wait for further testing.

I think Mother’s has a winner and it may send other manufacturers back to the drawing board.


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[Klasse Act]

^^^^ Sounds like Meg's needs to get a steppin'.

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[Cruzscarwash]

The lighting is off but you can see a much different look in the beads, Meg's on the bottom and CMX on top

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[Finick]

Did Mother’s say whether or not the towels will harden from this product? Anyone experience their sprayer clogging up after use?


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[Cruzscarwash]

Did Mother’s say whether or not the towels will harden from this product? Anyone experience their sprayer clogging up after use?


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I've used if a few times over the weeks and still sprays fine.

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[Eldorado2k]

As I recall it's pretty caustic so the usual high-pH precautions apply.

It’s not caustic, has virtually no odor, and can even be used on paint.

but the sprayer can be used for other tasks

I think that sprayers a bit much for my needs. I already have 2 Kwazar pump sprayers. That one’s too bulky and I don’t like anything with a wand. I once used a wand to dry my friends old Camaro and accidentally dinged the paint. Good thing it was primer and not the finished paint job.

 

[KBsToy]

Apex detail has a review on his site

 

[Rrthomas78]

Did Mother’s say whether or not the towels will harden from this product? Anyone experience their sprayer clogging up after use?


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Mother's said the towels become hydrophobic if remember correct. He said he tossed all his

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[Klasse Act]

It’s not caustic, has virtually no odor, and can even be used on paint.



I think that sprayers a bit much for my needs. I already have 2 Kwazar pump sprayers. That one’s too bulky and I don’t like anything with a wand. I once used a wand to dry my friends old Camaro and accidentally dinged the paint. Good thing it was primer and not the finished paint job.

Ohhhh, I see the problem now...reading. In his video, Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner, he uses the IK Foam 9 sprayer. Now ofcoarse that's fine but the IK 1.5 does the same thing, although you have to pump it up more due to its smaller size and it has no wand and because of this, for a total and complete clean, not to mention using less product, you spray what you can in the barrel and then grab your favorite wheel brush and work it in. When I posted my pics of the wheel cleaner doing its thing I just sprayed into the barrels and let it clean what it could but either way, came out great. So in closing, I use the IK 1.5 foamer for the Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner, it's also 1/3 the price of the IK Foam 9 but holds less pressure and doesn't have the wand, glad that's been cleared up.

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[Mgavin1985]

Ohhhh, I see the problem now...reading. In his video, Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner, he uses the IK Foam 9 sprayer. Now ofcoarse that's fine but the IK 1.5 does the same thing, although you have to pump it up more due to its smaller size and it has no wand and because of this, for a total and complete clean, not to mention using less product, you spray what you can in the barrel and then grab your favorite wheel brush and work it in. When I posted my pics of the wheel cleaner doing its thing I just sprayed into the barrels and let it clean what it could but either way, came out great. So in closing, I use the IK 1.5 foamer for the Auto-Fanatic foaming wheel cleaner, it's also 1/3 the price of the IK Foam 9 but holds less pressure and doesn't have the wand, glad that's been cleared up.

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The sexy sprayer is from the other video with salt remover called “solo 1liter”

 

[FUNX650]

Can something be non-acid AND caustic?

Yes.

{Perhaps you were thinking in terms
of something being corrosive?}

Well the truth of the matter is that both
acids, and bases/(alkalis) can be corrosive.

•However:
-Caustic is reserved to differentiate between
substances that have a high pH value, such as:
bases/(alkalis); and acids, oxidizers, or other
non-alkaline corrosives.

•A couple examples of non-acids; with high pH:
-Sodium Hydroxide; and Potassium Hydroxide.



Bob

 

[Setec Astronomy]

It’s not caustic, has virtually no odor, and can even be used on paint.

A caustic cleaner usually has sodium hydroxide in it, I thought there was a pH point above which something was considered "caustic" (like 12) but apparently that's not how it's defined. Do you know what the pH is? Do you have an MSDS?

My comments relating to the causticity/pH are simply that these cleaners tend to be aggressive...heck, even APC's can leave streaking if you let them dwell too long or dry. Anyway, that doesn't mean that high-pH wheel cleaners don't do a good job, you just need to use the appropriate caution. Perhaps I'm wrong about Brown Royal, there don't seem to be any MSDS's out there in the world, but there seem to be plenty of warnings on the side of the bottle that you can sort-of see on the picture at the website.

 

[DETAILROOKIE]

A caustic cleaner usually has sodium hydroxide in it, I thought there was a pH point above which something was considered "caustic" (like 12) but apparently that's not how it's defined. Do you know what the pH is? Do you have an MSDS?

My comments relating to the causticity/pH are simply that these cleaners tend to be aggressive...heck, even APC's can leave streaking if you let them dwell too long or dry. Anyway, that doesn't mean that high-pH wheel cleaners don't do a good job, you just need to use the appropriate caution. Perhaps I'm wrong about Brown Royal, there don't seem to be any MSDS's out there in the world, but there seem to be plenty of warnings on the side of the bottle that you can sort-of see on the picture at the website.

This is the label of Royal Brown.

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[FUNX650]

A caustic cleaner usually has sodium hydroxide in it, I thought there was a pH point above which something was considered "caustic" (like 12) but apparently that's not how it's defined. Do you know what the pH is? Do you have an MSDS?

My comments relating to the causticity/pH are simply that these cleaners tend to be aggressive...heck, even APC's can leave streaking if you let them dwell too long or dry. Anyway, that doesn't mean that high-pH wheel cleaners don't do a good job, you just need to use the appropriate caution. Perhaps I'm wrong about Brown Royal, there don't seem to be any MSDS's out there in the world, but there seem to be plenty of warnings on the side of the bottle that you can sort-of see on the picture at the website.

Below is a Brown Royal spokesperson’s
statement regarding its pH value (high).

{So: If it’s true that substances that have a high
pH value are bases/alkalis; and, that they can be
Chemically described as being caustic...}

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BR is a high pH basic wheel cleaner per a post
I found on a GM forum from the manufacturer - Flash.

Here is the post:

“Hello All,

Springthing thanks for testing Brown Royal and
posting some pictures about it. You have to see
what Brown Royal does on heavily accumulated
Brake dust.

Brown Royal is a non-acid cleaner.
It is a high Ph cleaner.

Similair to an alkaline degreaser, but with
a polymer agent that will not harm surfaces.

Brown Royal can be used on Chrome, Clearcoated
aluminum, alloy and painted wheels. Also, whitewalls
engine grease, mud stains, tar, bugs, tree sap and its
a great undercarraige cleaner. Especially if you go
four wheeling.

Just a little info on wheel cleaners. For unclearcoated
polished aluminum surfaces. You can not use an acid
(low ph) or a degreaser (high ph) on these surfaces.
They will haze or etch these surfaces. You may be able
to repair it by using a metal polish. But, its alot of work
and time. Todays polished wheels are clearcoated. This
protects the wheel from environmental and chemical
oxidation. But if you use a harsh cleaner on a clearcoated
wheel, it can be damaged.

Brown Royal when diluted 1:6 will not haze uncoated
polished wheels. If you keep your wheels pretty clean,
then it would be best to use Brown Royal diluted, or a
wash & wax soap (neutral ph) like our Deep Purple
wash & wax shampoo. Many wheel cleaners that are
available in your auto parts stores are either an acid
cleaner or an alkaline degreaser. Most will damage
wheels if not careful.

If you were impressed with Brown Royal, then you will
be impressed with our entire product line. They all work
as well as Brown Royal. Thanks for the support all”.:great:


Joe Flash


Here is the link:

Flash Auto Detail Products - Brown Royal Wheel Cleaner Review | Chevy Truck Forum | GM Truck Club


It may work well, but I think I would skip it.

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Bob

 

[Cruzscarwash]

So back to Mother's..lol

Left side of the window has Meg's HCW and the right side is Mother's CMX.

Neither wiped off with the wipers and still had to wait a few mins for the defrost to do its thing.

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[Eldorado2k]

Back to wheel cleaners. Lol.

The reason I don’t consider BR caustic is because I can let it dwell for what seems like an endless amount of time and it’s never etched anything. I’ve even sprayed my exhaust pipes with it straight undiluted and totally forgot I had sprayed them until hours later and even then it didn’t etch them.

That polymer that he speaks of in Bobs post seems to keep this stuff slippery no matter how long it’s left to dwell. I can’t say that about any other wheel cleaner. It also doesn’t turn rubber/plastic wheel wells chalky gray like other degreasers/APC’s do.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Yeah, but those are stainless tips that would probably be fine in any case--but if it doesn't turn rubber or plastic chalky, that's certainly a good thing.

 

[Prowler1k]

Thanks guys for the reviews and photographs. The apex detail review is great too.
I’m hopeful this product will be an easy solution to keep spider stains from really sticking to my boat. Even though it’s under a covered slip, if I could just get 3 months of protection and not have to really scrub spider residue off it will be a huge win.