Mother's CMX CERAMIC SPRAY COATING

rlmccarty2000 said:
Ouch CMX “outdated” already? I am not pleased with its performance as a stand alone product, but it is still better than 90% of the topper (Reload) type products on the market. CMX will hold up 3-4X longer than most toppers and beats them in price. I’m still waiting to see if CMX will mix with ECH2O to boost my drying aid. The bottles Mothers uses for CMX (similar to 303) make it difficult (for me) to remove the sprayer.
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Sorry I may have come off wrong, so far I love CMX and it has NOT been downgraded for me.

I meant all my older spray waxes (Megs UQW which I have a lot of) and other waxes will get used under the hood and wheel wells.

I would like to see how CMX and Ech2o do as well. Honestly with ease of use of the spray and rinse products at affordable price points, like 303 touchless sealant. Its probably easy to apply CMX and then do follow up with a touchless Sio2 like 303 or use Megs HCW as a wax as you dry product.

I'll try a spray and rinse on my grill and wheels once its warm enough. I'm trying to maximize my time and do less. My last resort is to UK3.0, coupled with a touchless Si02 every 2 to 4 months.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Ouch CMX “outdated” already? I am not pleased with its performance as a stand alone product, but it is still better than 90% of the topper (Reload) type products on the market. CMX will hold up 3-4X longer than most toppers and beats them in price. I’m still waiting to see if CMX will mix with ECH2O to boost my drying aid. The bottles Mothers uses for CMX (similar to 303) make it difficult (for me) to remove the sprayer.
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If I’m correct it’s only been out since early February. Most have had less than 3weeks? Definitely not enough time to quantify “better than 90% and 3-4 times longer”. Like beadmaker I’ve seen mixed reviews on it.... I hope it turns out to be a good product. Great price from great company


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so, I'm to the point now that I don't think ill be buying CMX ever again, and I am regretting buying 6 bottles up front. unless something dramatic chances its nothing over the top at all.

this morning I woke up and it was raining pretty good here in the desert, now my car hasn't been washed in I think 2 weeks and the last wash I did, there was basically no sheeting or beading at all on the CMX side or the HCW side. after the car did sheet the water from the pressure washed panel you can see that HCW released more dirt then CMX but neither were anything like a coating or PNS or fk100p. now I haven't topped the car off with anything at all and when I got out to my car the hood was beading like it did on day one on both CMX and HCW sides and the windshield shed water as it did since the day it was applied as well. so while these products don't shed dirt like I would have hoped they would they are protecting the paint in someway, I'm not sure why they are beading more now then when they were washed down. the car should have more dirt on them now then they did then. so I'm a little confused, still not as happy with them as I thought id be, I still think HCW is a better option the Xpress wax for a regular wash drying aid and could be used on a entry level wash package. the prices for them is still good, the performance is just not where my mind thought or hoped they would be.
 
So basically, if you have a gallon of D156 don't bother replacing it with CMX until you run out?
 
Cruzscarwash said:
so, I'm to the point now that I don't think ill be buying CMX ever again, and I am regretting buying 6 bottles up front. unless something dramatic chances its nothing over the top at all.

this morning I woke up and it was raining pretty good here in the desert, now my car hasn't been washed in I think 2 weeks and the last wash I did, there was basically no sheeting or beading at all on the CMX side or the HCW side. after the car did sheet the water from the pressure washed panel you can see that HCW released more dirt then CMX but neither were anything like a coating or PNS or fk100p. now I haven't topped the car off with anything at all and when I got out to my car the hood was beading like it did on day one on both CMX and HCW sides and the windshield shed water as it did since the day it was applied as well. so while these products don't shed dirt like I would have hoped they would they are protecting the paint in someway, I'm not sure why they are beading more now then when they were washed down. the car should have more dirt on them now then they did then. so I'm a little confused, still not as happy with them as I thought id be, I still think HCW is a better option the Xpress wax for a regular wash drying aid and could be used on a entry level wash package. the prices for them is still good, the performance is just not where my mind thought or hoped they would be.
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What soap are you using to wash the car?
 
hogie said:
So basically, if you have a gallon of D156 don't bother replacing it with CMX until you run out?
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I guess it depends on you and how you use it, how often you wash, if you are washing in regular intervals you are likely good with D156, if you go longer between washes CMX might be worth it for you. I think it is still protecting the paint in some way, UVA/UVB wise. spray wax was just a really really good drying aid and had great gloss for the price but for me doesn't last long at all, if I kept up with regular washes it was fine (my base is normally fk1000P or PNS) now that I think about it, I haven't tried HCW or CMX over PNS or FK so maybe its might change when its combo'd.. hmmm IDK.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
If I’m correct it’s only been out since early February. Most have had less than 3weeks? Definitely not enough time to quantify “better than 90% and 3-4 times longer”. Like beadmaker I’ve seen mixed reviews on it.... I hope it turns out to be a good product. Great price from great company


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The reason I said “better than 90% and 3-4 times longer” is that I have personally tested 12-14 toppers and only got 2 weeks durability out of the majority of them. CMX will last 6-8 weeks easily. CMX is not a coating, but it beats most in its class especially if you factor in price.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
The reason I said “better than 90% and 3-4 times longer” is that I have personally tested 12-14 toppers and only got 2 weeks durability out of the majority of them. CMX will last 6-8 weeks easily. CMX is not a coating, but it beats most in its class especially if you factor in price.
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That makes sense. Gotten at least a month on everything I’ve used mighta been longer except 3 months I let hydrosilex ride. Not to blame other stuff as was still beading... just felt like topping. With that being said getting at least a month I was extrapolating 4-6 months. So other than Premier and Over coat. Is their any thing else your liking?


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Coatingsarecrack said:
That makes sense. Gotten at least a month on everything I’ve used mighta been longer except 3 months I let hydrosilex ride. Not to blame other stuff as was still beading... just felt like topping. With that being said getting at least a month I was extrapolating 4-6 months. So other than Premier and Over coat. Is their any thing else your liking?


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Is it spray on wipe off product you look for?
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Nothing in perticular. Have a ton of toppers haven’t used yet. Always looking for more though!


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I like the finish you get from Polish Angel products. For base protection 6-12 months as a last step or the only step if not much defects. PA Esclate Lotion as a paint cleaner that depends the color and fine abrasives to get the light defects corrected and was made for to be followed by PA Master Sealant. Then you have the Rapidwaxx as a topper or if you have a metallic paint High Gloss. You also have the color coded toppers from PA that makes the color of the paint you have to pop. Or the toppers made for their coatings Cosmic Spritz and Viking Spritz. The concentration of them is extreme and a little goes a very long way.

I like that Mothers CMX has both SiO2 and TiO2 in it. Would be interesting to know the concentration of them. TiO2 often takes out the metallic flakes to pop and also takes about 24 hours before it fully cures looks wise.
 
Just tried the overcoat v1 (thanks budget). The application and removal a bit grabby (better on v2?). After applying let cure for a day and spritz some water on it and at first thought was no difference in beads to hydrosilex. Then I sprayed again in same place and the beads just fell off the car! No rain yet but can tell actual self cleaning is going to be fun to watch....


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Would I use something like HD Speed on my car first before applying this or just clay my car and apply this immediately after?
 
MMacOH said:
Would I use something like HD Speed on my car first before applying this or just clay my car and apply this immediately after?
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You can do either, but best case would be to clay and then polish/prep the paint to remove grime and oil. A clean surface will allow for best results.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
The reason I said “better than 90% and 3-4 times longer” is that I have personally tested 12-14 toppers and only got 2 weeks durability out of the majority of them. CMX will last 6-8 weeks easily. CMX is not a coating, but it beats most in its class especially if you factor in price.
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CMX is a coating as per Forrest from Mothers. That said, coatings do not imply "permanent" which some tend to think that way.
 
mwoolfso said:
CMX is a coating as per Forrest from Mothers. That said, coatings do not imply "permanent" which some tend to think that way.
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Is there any standard industry what a ceramic coating is?

Does it have to have a certain longevity or chemical/chemicals?

Honestly I have not read or heard anything that says it's a ceramic coating or not. Or is it just so if a brand claims their product is a ceramic coating then it is so?
 
Unfortunately I don’t believe it’s regulated can call anything a coating


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Unfortunately I don’t believe it’s regulated can call anything a coating


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Same problem we have with waxes and sealants. No clear definitions, only a vague notion kinda-sorta agreeded upon by the community.

For a while, the coatings were pretty easily defined as the products which came in tiny bottles, had a high SiO2 content (or similar) and lasted several years. Now days, you have products with similar chemical make up, come in a spray form to make them easier to apply, and can last anywere from a few weeks like CMX to six months like CanCoat. No idea what to call them.
 
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