Murder at Large in my Hood

Setec Astronomy said:
You're a pharmacist and you've never seen a genuinely mentally ill person? I'll be darned, I guess that John Wayne Gacy fellow was quite the actor, just pretending to be nuts by eating his victims and burying the corpses under the floorboards of his house just in case he got caught so he could plead insanity! Good times.

There's a pretty big gap between someone trying to get on disability or making an excuse for not going to work and shooting your ex-wife in the head in front of your own kids. What exactly was the shooter in your 'hood trying to game the system out of when he killed his ex-wife and her whole family? Oh yeah, he wanted leniency after he killed himself.

This thread is making me lose faith in humanity...and not because of the perp.
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Of course there are some mentally ill people out there. But, it's my opinion we are living in an age of self absorption and self obsession. People are looking to their doctors and pharmaceutical companies to make them feel "normal" or good about themselves - but, it ain't going to happen.

The whole medical system profits from indulging people on their "feelings" and how they feel today. This is a relatively new phenomena... I guess it's "progress"... I don't know. But, I don't think people today are saner, happier, or more content with their lives then they where years ago.

As for what the shooters problem was - who knows? I'm sure he had some text book diagnosis at one point; but to me he's just an evil SOB. Just because people murder don't make them crazy.
 
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Swanicyouth, In a minute, I want to ask you a serious question. It's your thread, so I feel free to ask; based on one of your prior comments I noticed you painted with a very broad paintbrush. We all do, to a degree. I feel, the broad-brush covers those who are undeserving, as well as those who are deserving. Those who are deserving, get lumped in with the undeserving.
Here comes my question soon, first let me tell you about a veteran I know intimantly.
He served in Iraq, and later was diagnosed/labeled with PTSD and severe depression.
He witnessed a platoon member get decapatated by an rpg that didn't detonate, and had to assist in the suicide clean-up of a fellow battalion member's body on the same deployment. He states, the later incident, reminds him and stirs-up thought of him finding his dad dead by suicide before entering the service.
Now, this veteran receives gov't assistance because he is deemed unemployable and suicidal.
He feels stigmatized because he can't work, and doesn't know when he can fully function again.
When he says this to me, I say, ''Take one breath at a time, and just put one foot in front of the other."
My question to you is: Do you think he's better off getting a job, and quiting disability assistance. He feels undeserving because he sees himself no different than the next person. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
I'm not trying to create tension, just some dialogue.
 
cardaddy said:
And yes, John Browning did make all men equal!
Good ol' 1911, cocked, locked, and ready to rock!
(Although it's funny how people will think a striker fired gun is somehow more safe than a cocked n locked 1911.) ;)
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I believe that was Samuel Colt who made men "equal," hence the 'equalizer' Colt 45
 
Don M said:
I believe that was Samuel Colt who made men "equal," hence the 'equalizer' Colt 45
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You are correct sir. It was Sam Colt who made men equal. I just like John Browning's designs better. Come to think of it, I'm fond of Gaston Glock too:dblthumb2:
 
Rayaz said:
You are correct sir. It was Sam Colt who made men equal. I just like John Browning's designs better. Come to think of it, I'm fond of Gaston Glock too:dblthumb2:
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Yep, I'm a huge fan of JB myself! :dblthumb2:

Ahhh good ol' Glock, and now the striker fired vs hammer debate begins. :laughing:


Daily carry, Kimber 3" TLE-II.
Diddling around carry S&W (both old school full frame hammer designs and newer striker fire), favorite 'carry' striker..... Springfield Xdm "compact" (with 2~4 extra mags). ;)
 
expdetailing said:
Swanicyouth, In a minute, I want to ask you a serious question. It's your thread, so I feel free to ask; based on one of your prior comments I noticed you painted with a very broad paintbrush. We all do, to a degree. I feel, the broad-brush covers those who are undeserving, as well as those who are deserving. Those who are deserving, get lumped in with the undeserving.
Here comes my question soon, first let me tell you about a veteran I know intimantly.
He served in Iraq, and later was diagnosed/labeled with PTSD and severe depression.
He witnessed a platoon member get decapatated by an rpg that didn't detonate, and had to assist in the suicide clean-up of a fellow battalion member's body on the same deployment. He states, the later incident, reminds him and stirs-up thought of him finding his dad dead by suicide before entering the service.
Now, this veteran receives gov't assistance because he is deemed unemployable and suicidal.
He feels stigmatized because he can't work, and doesn't know when he can fully function again.
When he says this to me, I say, ''Take one breath at a time, and just put one foot in front of the other."
My question to you is: Do you think he's better off getting a job, and quiting disability assistance. He feels undeserving because he sees himself no different than the next person. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
I'm not trying to create tension, just some dialogue.
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Tough question, and I'm very sorry for your friend. I will say this though, I think it's bad for any human being to dwell too long in the darkest parts of their lives. Though the events can be brief and without warning, and can be more than the mind can comprehend in that instant, never moving past them mentally can hold a person in that stagnant quagmire longer than anyone's sanity can endure. It's not always in one's best interest to self reflect.

To answer your question: if the current situation is what he's been living for a while and no change for the positive has been noted, in my opinion (anson no way am I medically qualified to say, "screw it, do it.") it's time to change something. No sense doing what you've been doing and getting the same result. I hope you're a good enough friend to be able to support him through whatever he chooses to do. Again, I'm really sorry that's happened to your buddy.
 
expdetailing said:
Swanicyouth, In a minute, I want to ask you a serious question. It's your thread, so I feel free to ask; based on one of your prior comments I noticed you painted with a very broad paintbrush. We all do, to a degree. I feel, the broad-brush covers those who are undeserving, as well as those who are deserving. Those who are deserving, get lumped in with the undeserving.
Here comes my question soon, first let me tell you about a veteran I know intimantly.
He served in Iraq, and later was diagnosed/labeled with PTSD and severe depression.
He witnessed a platoon member get decapatated by an rpg that didn't detonate, and had to assist in the suicide clean-up of a fellow battalion member's body on the same deployment. He states, the later incident, reminds him and stirs-up thought of him finding his dad dead by suicide before entering the service.
Now, this veteran receives gov't assistance because he is deemed unemployable and suicidal.
He feels stigmatized because he can't work, and doesn't know when he can fully function again.
When he says this to me, I say, ''Take one breath at a time, and just put one foot in front of the other."
My question to you is: Do you think he's better off getting a job, and quiting disability assistance. He feels undeserving because he sees himself no different than the next person. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
I'm not trying to create tension, just some dialogue.
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Kind of afraid to comment on anyone's situation - as maybe they'll come and shoot ME. But, war and killing are nothing new. If you volunteer for the military, you probably should expect to see it. There have been wars, killing, suicide, and murder since time began.

What did the guys returning from WWII do? They came home, got married, got a job, and got on with it (for the most part). I don't see how sitting at home and not contributing to society is doing much for this person - especially for their self esteem.

The bottom line is - it happened and he saw it. No psychiatrist or drug will erase that. Sometimes it's just best to get out of the house and get on with it.

Probably not a popular opinion. But that's how I feel.


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I've really been trying to stay out of this thread, but since I'm up at 2AM and can't sleep, here I go.

swanicyouth said:
What did the guys returning from WWII do? They came home, got married, got a job, and got on with it (for the most part).
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There were plenty of guys who returned from WWII who were unable to return to society...they called it "shell shock" back then, and plenty of them died in VA hospitals just a few years after the war, or lived out their years as the weird uncle who stayed in his room.

And I'd bet that plenty of them became "evil SOB's" and killed people, it just didn't get publicized instantly on everyone's phone. Once upon a time news was news, not entertainment, and murderers weren't sensationalized and used for ratings like now. There was no internet, no social media, no 24 hour news channels on TV etc. etc. etc. so if some guy was nuts and killed his ex-wife in front of their kids, maybe the neighbors knew, maybe it made the local paper (not on the front page), but I'd bet dollars to donuts that up here in North Jersey I never would have heard a peep about your Philly-area killer if it was 50 years ago. Now they are probably talking about it in Iceland, they can watch streaming video of your local news on the internet.
 
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