My first Opti-coat experience....

why are you being so stingy with application ? you are absolutely underusing the product. You need to really prime the applicator before using it, with like 25 drops of product. when doing so the yellow applicator is a pleasure to use. If its grabbing the paint, there is not enough product on it. Its easier to use ample amounts and follow up with a MF towel after about a minute and level it off.
Opti Coat is expensive. Why use 25 drops to prime a pad when you could use the neoprene block and towel method or nitrile glove over pad and towel method and use far less product?
You get the same results with less product, saving money with the towels. 25 drops to prime just wastes product.
 
Really like this idea, but how does this handle more intricate places like the front grill, where the bumper meets trunk, or a wheel application?

A little late to post but I used a cotton ball to do some steel wheels in prep for winter, worked well no issues.
 
Opti Coat is expensive. Why use 25 drops to prime a pad when you could use the neoprene block and towel method or nitrile glove over pad and towel method and use far less product?
You get the same results with less product, saving money with the towels. 25 drops to prime just wastes product.

The yellow applicator sucks up a ton of product and thats the one Optimum includes with the product. So I dunno why. yes theres better applicators for the task that save a ton less product, that was already stated in the thread.
 
25 Drops to me a pad? Im sorry I mean no disrespect by this but.### on at sylsyllis

I'm not sure what language that was or what was meant by this post, but you asked why you had a bad experience with opti-coat using the yellow included pad and I posted my suggestion on how to get on with that setup in a better fashion.

If you took that is disrespectful then I'm sorry.

Are there better applicators for the job, absolutely. It was said a bunch of time to go with the carpro suede setup. you dont have to prime the applicator and its a smooth experience with no grabbing. and its a lot safer than using a paper towel.

All I did was relay the message on how to get on using the yellow thing thats included.

Also in my experience the product is easier to use by applying a little more than necessary and leveling it with a MF towel, rather then trying to level it with an applicator and being stingy upon application.
 
why are you being so stingy with application ? you are absolutely underusing the product. You need to really prime the applicator before using it, with like 25 drops of product. when doing so the yellow applicator is a pleasure to use. If its grabbing the paint, there is not enough product on it. Its easier to use ample amounts and follow up with a MF towel after about a minute and level it off.

I agree with this but have to add a few thoughts forged through experience at applying this stuff with the supplied yellow pad and also the glove wrapped applicator with a fine nap microfiber or blue paper shop towel over the applicator.

1.What you say is correct but it's money down the drain in comparison to product saving methods one can create through trial and error and a little ingenuity.

2. What you say is correct but the directions say the exact opposite.

It is my opinion that the directions coming from Optimum were either very poorly thought out and written...or...were purposely written in a way that would contradict logic to the first time user in order to support the efforts of the "professional installer", knowing that the "Pros" are naturally going to work through their own learning curve and come up with their own best methods of application. This theory would definitely support the "marketing machine" that seems to be part of Optimum's target market...that is "the professional Opti-Coat installer".

I see it even more so now with the recent market saturation of coatings targeted toward the average forum member detailers. As this in-surge of different, more affordable coatings brought to market increases, we see Optimum nearly double the price of their professional offering, add the warranty policy and shift their marketing strategies toward new car dealerships and the adequately insured professional installers.

Time and time again, over and over we see threads just like this one where the first time installer experiences problems and immediately starts a new thread highlighting his/her shortcomings of the experience...fueling both my theory outlined above, and potentially making the other new to market offerings seem more appealing, which supports the entire car care industry as a whole, which Optimum is a big part of. In my mind, it keeps an interest in coatings in general alive, which naturally creates future opportunities of improvement and growth for the companies who are doing constant research and development in their labs and in the field.

At the same time, this all gives the coating "manufacturers" that are springing to market left and right, their 15 minutes of fame. I personally believe that a lot of these new to market coatings will ride the wave that is the trend of coating applications while things are hot, and when things calm down and become "Old Hat", the companies doing real research, development and constant improvement will still be moving their product to a more diverse market and will be so situated to appeal to multiple markets.

Just some thoughts as I see them in my mind.

Back to the yellow applicator that comes with the Optimum coating.

Like Art has shown in his photo of his Sharpie marked applicator, I do exactly the same thing and concentrate on an application method of making short overlapping strokes with the supplied yellow applicator. When I say short stokes, I mean overlapping strokes across the paint no longer than 6 inches long overlapping at a minimum of 50%. This way the foam has more "product" from the previous application stroke to glide across, so only a 50% or less of the foam applicator is grabbing over un-coated paint.

Kind of like when you wait entirely too long to mow your grass.

The first cut path of overgrown grass constantly tries to stall out the lawn mower engine...but once you get that first path cut, you can then take 50% or less of your full cut width at a time making the rest of the job much easier. Sure it takes a little longer to do, and wastes a little gas, but the rest of the mowing project is effortless. At the end you have big clumps of grass all over the yard that need to be raked up, kind of like the "High Spots" of Opti-Coat left behind on the hood of the car being coated..;)

It has taken a few Opti-Coat applications for me to develop my preferred technique of application. I'm much less worried about a little wasted product in doing an over application as I am in saving time, creating ease of use, and ensuring a more thorough end product.
 
I agree with this but have to add a few thoughts forged through experience at applying this stuff with the supplied yellow pad and also the glove wrapped applicator with a fine nap microfiber or blue paper shop towel over the applicator.

1.What you say is correct but it's money down the drain in comparison to product saving methods one can create through trial and error and a little ingenuity.

2. What you say is correct but the directions say the exact opposite.

It is my opinion that the directions coming from Optimum were either very poorly thought out and written...or...were purposely written in a way that would contradict logic to the first time user in order to support the efforts of the "professional installer", knowing that the "Pros" are naturally going to work through their own learning curve and come up with their own best methods of application. This theory would definitely support the "marketing machine" that seems to be part of Optimum's target market...that is "the professional Opti-Coat installer".

I see it even more so now with the recent market saturation of coatings targeted toward the average forum member detailers. As this in-surge of different, more affordable coatings brought to market increases, we see Optimum nearly double the price of their professional offering, add the warranty policy and shift their marketing strategies toward new car dealerships and the adequately insured professional installers.

Time and time again, over and over we see threads just like this one where the first time installer experiences problems and immediately starts a new thread highlighting his/her shortcomings of the experience...fueling both my theory outlined above, and potentially making the other new to market offerings seem more appealing, which supports the entire car care industry as a whole, which Optimum is a big part of. In my mind, it keeps an interest in coatings in general alive, which naturally creates future opportunities of improvement and growth for the companies who are doing constant research and development in their labs and in the field.

At the same time, this all gives the coating "manufacturers" that are springing to market left and right, their 15 minutes of fame. I personally believe that a lot of these new to market coatings will ride the wave that is the trend of coating applications while things are hot, and when things calm down and become "Old Hat", the companies doing real research, development and constant improvement will still be moving their product to a more diverse market and will be so situated to appeal to multiple markets.

Just some thoughts as I see them in my mind.

Back to the yellow applicator that comes with the Optimum coating.

Like Art has shown in his photo of his Sharpie marked applicator, I do exactly the same thing and concentrate on an application method of making short overlapping strokes with the supplied yellow applicator. When I say short stokes, I mean overlapping strokes across the paint no longer than 6 inches long overlapping at a minimum of 50%. This way the foam has more "product" from the previous application stroke to glide across, so only a 50% or less of the foam applicator is grabbing over un-coated paint.

Kind of like when you wait entirely too long to mow your grass.

The first cut path of overgrown grass constantly tries to stall out the lawn mower engine...but once you get that first path cut, you can then take 50% or less of your full cut width at a time making the rest of the job much easier. Sure it takes a little longer to do, and wastes a little gas, but the rest of the mowing project is effortless. At the end you have big clumps of grass all over the yard that need to be raked up, kind of like the "High Spots" of Opti-Coat left behind on the hood of the car being coated..;)

It has taken a few Opti-Coat applications for me to develop my preferred technique of application. I'm much less worried about a little wasted product in doing an over application as I am in saving time, creating ease of use, and ensuring a more thorough end product.

Dave, thanks for backing up my claims. I knew what I said wouldn't go over very well with most people, but the reality is that it was the only way I found applying the product to go smoothly without putting much thought into it. I always test product out on a test panel I have at home before going to my vehicle. I try the manufacturers instructions, the minimal approach, then the overapplication approach. And I found out quickly that something inbetween the minimal and overuse approach was the only way the product worked well for me. It must be noted though that overuse of the product produces its own issues as well. such as re-hazing after being leveled. which is another nightmare in itself. So I quickly realized that priming the applicator very well, then using very small amounts was the way to go without any issue.

Personally the best solution for applying opti-coat without having to worry about a grabby applicator is the carpro suede setup. It makes things a breeze, but un fortunately AG does not sell the carpro block separately. You have to do some research to find a vendor who does sell them.

I do agree that Opti-coat was never produced to be sold to the end consumer which is why you dont see the guys from Optimum coming onto the forums to help enthusiasts out. In the beginning they did so, but quickly realized it was a losing battle. If I remember correctly, even chris form OPT, made a video on easy application with the foam applicator and EVEN then people told him thats not what the instructions state and its the wrong way to apply. At that point, I pretty much never saw any follow up posts or threads from optimum support on the subject. So I do believe you are correct that they have pretty much now focuses on the professionals and let the chips fall were they may for the enthusiast crowd.

again, thanks for your post.
 
Dave, thanks for backing up my claims. I knew what I said wouldn't go over very well with most people, but the reality is that it was the only way I found applying the product to go smoothly without putting much thought into it. I always test product out on a test panel I have at home before going to my vehicle. I try the manufacturers instructions, the minimal approach, then the overapplication approach. And I found out quickly that something inbetween the minimal and overuse approach was the only way the product worked well for me. It must be noted though that overuse of the product produces its own issues as well. such as re-hazing after being leveled. which is another nightmare in itself. So I quickly realized that priming the applicator very well, then using very small amounts was the way to go without any issue.

Personally the best solution for applying opti-coat without having to worry about a grabby applicator is the carpro suede setup. It makes things a breeze, but un fortunately AG does not sell the carpro block separately. You have to do some research to find a vendor who does sell them.

I do agree that Opti-coat was never produced to be sold to the end consumer which is why you dont see the guys from Optimum coming onto the forums to help enthusiasts out. In the beginning they did so, but quickly realized it was a losing battle. If I remember correctly, even chris form OPT, made a video on easy application with the foam applicator and EVEN then people told him thats not what the instructions state and its the wrong way to apply. At that point, I pretty much never saw any follow up posts or threads from optimum support on the subject. So I do believe you are correct that they have pretty much now focuses on the professionals and let the chips fall were they may for the enthusiast crowd.

again, thanks for your post.

You are quite welcome. I call it as I see it. Many times before ever even using Opti-Coat, I've seen it suggested to make an X with the product on the applicator to initially prime it.

OK so let's think this through for a minute... I put the blue dispenser tip on the syringe, aim the syringe at my applicator where I intend on making my X, apply enough pressure to the plunger to force out enough product to make a " / " and then re aim my syringe and apply enough pressure on the plunger to force out enough product to make a " \ " and now I have my " X " and now my applicator is primed.

If anyone reading this would please humor me and venture a guess how many drops of product I just forced through the dispenser tip to form that " X "...

I'd guess more than 25 drops. I do this " X " every time I apply OC and it never comes close to 1cc to prime my applicator.

Half the people on this forum would step over a dollar to pick up a nickle. It's called "The cost of doing business".

This is exactly my point.

Even with a healthy 25 drops to prime the applicator, if you keep on rubbing the applicator over un-coated paint most of it ends up on the paint anyway.
 
All great points guys, thanks so much for chiming in. My preferred method after playing with this stuff for about a week is most def the glove/shop towel method. Theres clearly more than one way to skin a cat and that's being proven here. All a matter of preference...
 
What, exactly, is this? Wax on steroids, or more like adding some clearcoat to the paint?
 
What, exactly, is this? Wax on steroids, or more like adding some clearcoat to the paint?
It is more like adding another layer of clearcoat. It is like laying on super durable more hydrophobic, more dirt repellent clearcoat like you would apply a sealant. It is intended to be as permanent as paint, if not more so.
 
I've been seeing you guys reference this, and coatings in general...several for tires, for instance, that last longer than dressings. I'm not sure I'm fully understanding the difference between a sealant and a coating. Can someone articulate that for me?
 
Sealants last usually only 4-6 months. Coatings last much longer. That's the fundamental difference.
 
Enforcer,

Did you use the Pro or 2.0? I did my wife's new car three weeks ago with 2.0. Between car, wheels, jambs, and my new wheels I used about 15 cc's or so.
I didn't use it on the glass since the directions said not to but I did use the yellow applicator.
Next time I will use the double sided neoprene/foam one.
 
I just applied OC on my car and for the prep i would say i used around 10 drops..and 2 - 3 drops per section.

Whats a good way of testing out that my coating has been applied properly on the surface?

thanks!
 
I just applied OC on my car and for the prep i would say i used around 10 drops..and 2 - 3 drops per section.

Whats a good way of testing out that my coating has been applied properly on the surface?

thanks!

Let it cure for a week or so then wash it. You should get excellent beading and sheeting of water. If your not amazed by the beading and sheeting, something probably isn't right. Most of the dirt should come off with a pressurized spray of water as well.

There are many You Tube videos showing what OC water behavior looks like as well.
 
Thank you! Will try it this weekend to see if I got it on properly

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