My white pad turned black!

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I am a hobbyist working on my technique and acquiring products. After getting some confidence in polishing when I polished the haze off my headlights - I was quite proud of the results, I decided to try polishing paint. As I am responsible for 3 cars in my garage, 1 of which belongs to my mother in law, I decided hers would be the car I would practice on because she would never notice disappointing results.

Her car is a white 2008 Honda Civic that has been garaged its whole life but cleaning it has mostly been by her (using drive through car washes). After she returned from a road trip a few months ago, I washed her car. I use the 2 bucket method and her paint turned my wash mitt black! It was odd, her paint really didn't look that dirty. It was then that I taped off half the hood of her car, clayed and polished it using a PC DA polisher with a white pad and an orange pad with Meguire's Ultimate Polish that I've had for years.

The result was surprising. The half of the hood I didn't polish looked greyish next to the polished side. I did some research and learned about paint staining. Even though it's not my car, my knowing that I could improve the paint that much made it imperative that I do it. I ordered more pads and a few weeks later I got to it. I clayed the whole car and used the same polish with my new white LC pads and one of my used white pads (hex logic).

I used my new pads on all the panels except the roof where I used that hex logic pad. In just polishing the roof, it literally turned my pad black! I don't know why that was the only pad to turn black, whether the roof was that much dirtier compared to the rest of the car or because the pad had been previously used and perhaps I didn't clean it well enough.

After polishing, I topped it with WGDG paint sealant. The paint isn't perfect and swirl free but it's a huge improvement and MIL is impressed.

Does anyone have any idea why that pad turned black? I want to use those pads to polish my cars now but if the community concludes it turned black do to my poor pad cleaning, I've got to rectify that first.
 
Thank you for sharing, one word...


Vindicated


What you are seeing is called,

Road Film

See my articles here, this first one is also one of the oldest vb articles I've written.

The Lesson White Paint Teaches Us


Road Film - If you drive your car in the rain your car has road film


Picture of Road Film Dirt Stained Paint Ceramic Coating

The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips




How to remove stains and embedded dirt out of paint

The dirt you see on the pad in my hand... (the pad started out white)

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What you're seeing is normal for a daily driver.

This is why once in a while all daily drivers need to have "something" done to the paint besides washing.

Use a compound
Use a polish
Use a paint cleaner
Use a one-step cleaner/wax
Use an AIO

Use something! Besides just washing the car.

My guess is the car literally changed colors.

This is also why I'm not a believer in MULTI-YEAR paint coatings when they are being used on daily drivers.



:)
 
It could’ve turned black due to a number of things, usually it’s because the pad comes in contact with rubber trim alongside the sunroof or around the windows, etc. Add that up with the cleaning of the paint that’s happening and you could wind up with a black pad in a matter of seconds.

I’ve turned a bunch of pads black throughout my time... Here’s just 1 example. The black stained pad is actually clean.. Well it’s as clean as it’s going to get because it’s stained, but it doesn’t mean it’s not good enough to still be used whenever I need it.

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I forgot what I used that pad for... But I do know it was some extreme stuff, probably trying to polish some bare aluminum because all I remember was it was solid black when I was done. Lol.
 
Howdy,
Not sure why, possibility of various contaminants on the paint? I've seen some polishes-products go dark looking just from working them. At least it's appeared that way to me. (Aluminum Oxides?)

I'm not trying to sound like some Autogeek Salesman here, but have you ever tried dedicated Pad Cleaners on your Pads?

When I got back into this game with a D/A and the Foam Polishing Pads some years ago, I bought many of the basics that I thought I needed most, and purchased by priority.

I thought that it wasn't really necessary for me to waste money of the many "frills" sold here such as some things like Pad Cleaners and Conditioners. Figured for Pad Cleaning, that some All Purpose Cleaner, Simple Green, Purple Power, LA's Totally Awesone, etc., would get me by just fine.

But one day when ordering and feeling "rich" that particular day, I decided to buy some of the extra frills, and loaded my cart up with some extra products, just to sort of fill out my detailing arsenal some, and having the feeling like I've got all the bases covered.

It was I believe the Wolfgang Pad Cleaner I first bought. After a detailing run later in time, and a bunch of filthy Pads to clean, I'm starting to go about it my regular way, when I remembered I had theis Pad Cleaner on hand. Surely didn't buy such to look at, so out it came.

I was pleasantly surprised at just how well it worked. I immediately noticed how much easier the Pads were coming clean, virtually like they hadn't even been used. Another quality I noticed was there didn't seem to be the soap suds for days when then trying to rinse the soaps out, they rinsed clean much faster as well.

After seeing that, I then decided to try them on some supposedly older cleaned Pads of mine, and yep, they came up much cleaner as well.

About the only downside is that this particular cleaner is a little bit more expensive than off the shelf APCs. I concluded that such cleaners are a necessary evil if you want truly clean Pads.

Others might be able to suggest-recommend other less expensive products sold here which work comparably well to like the PBMG House Brand Pad Cleaners?

I've continue to use the Wolfgang or Blackfire Pad Cleaners with satisfactory results.

Wolfgang Pad Werks Polishing Pad Cleaner
 
Wow! Lots of good information here. I believe those links Mike provided are the threads I found when I was trying to figure out what was going with the paint staining.

The pad cleaner I use now came in a kit I bought when I was starting to get more serious in this hobby. It does foam a lot and knowing what I know now about Wolfgang products, I am very receptive to MarkD51's recommendation for their pad cleaner. I will add that to my wishlist.

It's one thing I love about this forum is the TON's of information and experience available here for a fairly inexperienced hobbyist like myself to pour over for hours on end. When I talk detailing to regular people, I can tell they really couldn't care less so it's great to have a resource like AGO to shop, research and exchange ideas/experiences with like minded folks. Thanks!
 
Wow! Lots of good information here. I believe those links Mike provided are the threads I found when I was trying to figure out what was going with the paint staining.

The pad cleaner I use now came in a kit I bought when I was starting to get more serious in this hobby. It does foam a lot and knowing what I know now about Wolfgang products, I am very receptive to MarkD51's recommendation for their pad cleaner. I will add that to my wishlist.

It's one thing I love about this forum is the TON's of information and experience available here for a fairly inexperienced hobbyist like myself to pour over for hours on end. When I talk detailing to regular people, I can tell they really couldn't care less so it's great to have a resource like AGO to shop, research and exchange ideas/experiences with like minded folks. Thanks!

Not to deter you from trying Wolfgang Pad Cleaner, but as I said it is a little pricey.

I note Wolfgang's Pad Cleaner is normally $15.99 for a 16oz Bottle, yet Blackfire's Pad Cleaner is $19.99 for 32oz, thus appearing to be a better buy in my eyes. How much difference is there between the two? I honestly cannot say, but they may possibly be one and the same being that both are PBMG-Autogeek House Brand products.

I am a huge Wolfgang Fan, have yet to find one product that didn't impress me, their polishes, sealants, trim products, on and on.
But lately I have been coming over to the "Blackfire Side", and have been just as impressed. Their Interior Cleaner and Interior Multi-Protectant comes to mind as two, both top notch.

In my spare time, I might go ahead and do a search on this forum about Pad Cleaners. Being here about 7 or so years now, I'm thinking that I recall seeing some threads about such, and folks commenting which products they liked, and why.

If I should possibly find unsatisfying search results, I might be inclined to start another thread myself. And as well you may certainly pose such questions yourself, this in one great place to be for everything detailing related, with countless great members who help and have great experience, many who have much more experience and expertise than myself.

Top notch professionals who probably do more work, and go through more product in one week, than I go through in one year..

One other thing I liked about these Pad Cleaners. Was that I also found they did an excellent job of removing the tougher stubborn stains on my good MF Towels that other cleaners left behind.
 
What color is the car? There’s also a chance that if it’s a black car and has been repainted with single stage then you’re seeing that.
But road film or picking up dirt from trim/seal is more likely.
 
What color is the car? There’s also a chance that if it’s a black car and has been repainted with single stage then you’re seeing that.
But road film or picking up dirt from trim/seal is more likely.

White 2008 Honda Civic
 
Did you clay the roof also? If so, did the clay pick up a lot of dirt?
 
Just as I thought, probably hours worth of good educational reading about Pad Cleaners right here!

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...pad-cleaner-review.html?highlight=pad+cleaner

I browsed through much of this thread just now. Looks like many like the McKee's Pad Cleaner.
Next time I need such, I'll probably order the McKee's and looks like the best bang for the dollar is the one gallon size.

While there seems to be a lot of love for the McKee's Pad Cleaner, it simply hasn't worked very well for me when trying to clean pads used with AIO's. I have the powder version of McKee's, perhaps their spray Pad Cleaner is better, I can't speak to that. My powdered McKee's now just sits on the shelf and most likely won't be used again. Too bad because I have a lot of other McKee's products and am a pretty big fan of theirs, their product is what I have the most of in my arsenal of products. What works well for me is the Poor Boys Tornado Pad Cleaner. Spray cleaner that is quite effective and pretty good value.
 
I'll through my 2 cents in here.

As for what caused the pads to turn black, I'd agree with Mike's assessment it is grime the pads picked up. When polishing out my daughter's car for the first time it turned my white pads a dark gray from all the gunk they pulled up while polishing. Hitting black trim either plastic or rubber might be another source I've found, but if all the pads used turned that dirty gray color, I say it's grime from the paint.

For pad cleaning, I've found soaking them in a bucket of APC and water solution for a couple days does the trick. People who have their own business can't afford to do this, but as a person who only maintains my own cars, it's pretty easy.
 
While there seems to be a lot of love for the McKee's Pad Cleaner, it simply hasn't worked very well for me when trying to clean pads used with AIO's. I have the powder version of McKee's, perhaps their spray Pad Cleaner is better, I can't speak to that. My powdered McKee's now just sits on the shelf and most likely won't be used again. Too bad because I have a lot of other McKee's products and am a pretty big fan of theirs, their product is what I have the most of in my arsenal of products. What works well for me is the Poor Boys Tornado Pad Cleaner. Spray cleaner that is quite effective and pretty good value.

Hmm, I forgot about the powdered cleaners totally. Looking back at McKee's products just now it has jogged my memory about such products in discussions. It looks like McKee's says this Powder is made for them by Snappy. I vaguely remember some talk about Snappy.

This powder product might be better utilized as a MF Towel Cleaner, maybe fortify other existing cleaners that you use for such? Just an idea that came to mind?

I did recognize the Wolfgang's ability to more easily clean Pads, which I was struggling with, with off the shelf products. Only dislike which I sort of touched on before, a bit pricey, I went through a pint bottle of it quite quickly.
 
Just as I thought, probably hours worth of good educational reading about Pad Cleaners right here!

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...pad-cleaner-review.html?highlight=pad+cleaner

I browsed through much of this thread just now. Looks like many like the McKee's Pad Cleaner.
Next time I need such, I'll probably order the McKee's and looks like the best bang for the dollar is the one gallon size.

Mark: to be perfectly honest, I never get my pads 100% black with road film/gunk or dirt.

However, some of them do get pretty dirty from time to time. (Usually in the spring, getting off all the NE winter crap).

The McKee's Pad Cleaner really impressed me. Great stuff!! :)
 
I use the mckees pad cleaner also. Super simple and effective.
 
Vindicated indeed!

Once, a gentleman once told me that my pads should not appear black because my prep work was terrible. This came from a LinkedIn “expert”. I tried referring him to this information in AGO. Never heard back about it.
 
Hmm, I forgot about the powdered cleaners totally. Looking back at McKee's products just now it has jogged my memory about such products in discussions. It looks like McKee's says this Powder is made for them by Snappy. I vaguely remember some talk about Snappy.

This powder product might be better utilized as a MF Towel Cleaner, maybe fortify other existing cleaners that you use for such? Just an idea that came to mind?

I did recognize the Wolfgang's ability to more easily clean Pads, which I was struggling with, with off the shelf products. Only dislike which I sort of touched on before, a bit pricey, I went through a pint bottle of it quite quickly.

Yes.....I also had some Snappy, seemed to be exact same as McKee's powder and just as ineffective.
 
More....

For those reading this into the future, there's a lot of info in the below article AND if you look at the paint on the BMW carefully, you'll see the effects of road film and normal dirt in our environment and how they impacted ONTO the paint.

The case against multi-year ceramic paint coatings - Road Grime = Surface Staining Daily Drivers by Mike Phillips


And you can see how the paint actually changed colors after the paint was machine compounded. The compounding removed the dirt film.


Before followed by After

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Sorry to say I did not take pictures of the pads and the dirt film on them, I had 26 people in this 2-day class and was a tick busy making sure everyone received all the one-on-one attention they wanted and needed.



:)
 
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