Need advice on HD Speed or Pad

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I was using HD speed for the first time with a new white hex logic pads. Used 4 pea size of HD speed to prime the pad followed by additional 3 pea size every reload. Worked on each section with 4 moderate to fast passes.

When i was trying to buff off, it was very difficult. Swiped my fingers across the product and its like dried on the paint, using a MF cloth to buff off is very hard.

So i tried using a finishing pad with autoglym SRP to go through once more and everything came off easily. It defeats the purpose of an AIO of HD speed so i figured i must be doing something wrong.

What could possibly be wrong? Did i use too much product? Or i did not work it long enough?Or could it be the problem with the pad?
 
I don't have much experience with Speed, only used it twice. The first time was on a client's car and I was really un-impressed by it. Then after talking to people on the forum who were fans of this product I decided to do a side by side comparisson with Meguiars D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme. You probably already know who one since I haven't used Speed afterwards ;)

I had issues with dusting and the result was not as good as D151, People told me Speed doesn't dust usually... so maybe I had a bottle that was bad. Regardless, in 6 years I never had a bad experience with D151. Now I am using D166 which is even better. I never really understood the love people here have for Speed. I also had issues removing it. I think it depends how long you work it and what quantity you use. You might be using either too much or too little. In my case people were telling me it was dusting because I was using too much... ok... D151 never dusted no matter how much I used... :)
 
Mine did not dust,just that its a hard to buff off. Is this what they meant by “sticky”?
 
It could just be that the paint didn't like that pad/product combo.

I get that sometimes with Meguiar's M205, and have to adjust my approach, or switch to my preferred alternate (Menzerna 2500, or 3500).
 
Odd situation. There are a number of "guesses" I am going to list but I've not encountered any of them, these are just guesses. When using Speed I've always had great luck and results. It's actually one of the easiest and slickest to wipe of IMO.

Is there perhaps:

Some type of contamination on the paint still?
Anything perhaps contaminated the pad?
Is the product fresh or did it freeze or separate?

Again, not sure as I've had nothing but great experience with Speed. I typically apply it with an orange or green HexLogic pad but white should be fine too.
 
Did you let it sit on the paint for at least 20 minutes?


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I’m guessing you either didn’t work it long enough or you wiped away too soon. Wait until it hazes to wipe. With speed it’s ok to polish the entire car and then come back to wipe it off.
 
I've found speed somewhat inconsistent in this regard too. Sometimes it goes on and off super easy, but other times like when I was using it last week, it was dusting like crazy when I wiped it off. In that instance, I found that wiping it off more immediately reduced the dusting. FWIW it was maybe 8 celsius and I was in the shade. Perhaps when its colder it tends to harden up as it dries and thats why it comes off all dusty if you let it sit? Regardless, I haven't had the same issue with other AIOs.
 
Calendyr said:
I don't have much experience with Speed, only used it twice. The first time was on a client's car and I was really un-impressed by it. Then after talking to people on the forum who were fans of this product I decided to do a side by side comparisson with Meguiars D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme. You probably already know who one since I haven't used Speed afterwards ;)

I had issues with dusting and the result was not as good as D151, People told me Speed doesn't dust usually... so maybe I had a bottle that was bad. Regardless, in 6 years I never had a bad experience with D151. Now I am using D166 which is even better. I never really understood the love people here have for Speed. I also had issues removing it. I think it depends how long you work it and what quantity you use. You might be using either too much or too little. In my case people were telling me it was dusting because I was using too much... ok... D151 never dusted no matter how much I used... :)
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I used it once and set it aside, definitely a seriously hyped up product. Might give it a shot again and see if I change my mind.
 
Ronin47 said:
I used it once and set it aside, definitely a seriously hyped up product. Might give it a shot again and see if I change my mind.
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Try it again. I'm first in line to call BS on product claims, especially if it's over-hyped, but HDSpeed isn't one of those. It's a solid player in this space.
 
I have used and continue to use HD Speed extensively. First off I hate hexlogic pads and stopped using them.

I use Speed with orange B&S and LC orange flat pads with exceptional results. I have never had an issue with wipe off. It's always been a breeze. My first impression is you may have used too much and over saturated the pad. Also, how many pads did you use? I typically use a minimum of 6 on a mid sized sedan. I also have Menz 3-1, BF AIO and still prefer Speed over both of thse products. Living in Florida I deal with hight temps and outrageous humidity and have never had issues with it. It is still my favorite go to AIO.

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BSoares said:
I’m guessing you either didn’t work it long enough or you wiped away too soon. Wait until it hazes to wipe. With speed it’s ok to polish the entire car and then come back to wipe it off.
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This is my practice with HD Speed. It’s never failed me to go through the entire car first and then wipe off.


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Calendyr said:
I don't have much experience with Speed, only used it twice. The first time was on a client's car and I was really un-impressed by it. Then after talking to people on the forum who were fans of this product I decided to do a side by side comparisson with Meguiars D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme. You probably already know who one since I haven't used Speed afterwards ;)

I had issues with dusting and the result was not as good as D151, People told me Speed doesn't dust usually... so maybe I had a bottle that was bad. Regardless, in 6 years I never had a bad experience with D151. Now I am using D166 which is even better. I never really understood the love people here have for Speed. I also had issues removing it. I think it depends how long you work it and what quantity you use. You might be using either too much or too little. In my case people were telling me it was dusting because I was using too much... ok... D151 never dusted no matter how much I used... :)
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You're the first person I've ever heard say the D151 is easier to remove and dusts less than HD Speed.

When I hear people experience dusting with HD Speed I always immediately assume that it's pad dusting from previous compounds that weren't cleaned out completely OR they are trying to use HD Speed as a 1-step compound to remove defects which is WAY outside the realm of what HD Speed was intended to do. D151 and D166 are very capable 1-step products that can be used to remove defects, but they don't refine paint anywhere close to the level of HD Speed.

HD Speed is much closer to a jeweling wax than a traditional AIO like D151.
 
Interesting you say that. While I've not used Speed (yet), I've heard people place its cutting ability all over the map between jeweling was, more aggressive than HD Polish and on-par w/ Menz 2500.
 
howardm4 said:
Interesting you say that. While I've not used Speed (yet), I've heard people place its cutting ability all over the map between jeweling was, more aggressive than HD Polish and on-par w/ Menz 2500.
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Keeping in mind cutting ability with all aio's and polishes can easily be adjusted by the aggressiveness of the type of pad used.
 
TTQ B4U said:
Try it again. I'm first in line to call BS on product claims, especially if it's over-hyped, but HDSpeed isn't one of those. It's a solid player in this space.
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Yeah will try it again but more interested in D166 currently.
 
Ronin47 said:
Yeah will try it again but more interested in D166 currently.
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D166 works great as well. Doesn't leave the surface as "slick" as Speed but it corrects well. I corrected this Camry with it. Wasn't horrible but it had a slew of very light and shallow swirls. Was a snap to restore to like new.
 
Thanks for the reply and all the tips guys!

I think i will give it another go with maybe another pad and also letting it dry for 20 mins or so before buffing it off. Will update here if everything goes smoothly
 
Altec said:
Thanks for the reply and all the tips guys!

I think i will give it another go with maybe another pad and also letting it dry for 20 mins or so before buffing it off. Will update here if everything goes smoothly
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So did you only use one pad for the entire vehicle?
 
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