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Hey AG. Decided to wash my car today with ONR and I would like to know what caused minor marring. I can only see the marring at a certain angle with halogen lights on. Car was washed one week ago so it's not that dirty but there was some dust on it. Was it because I did not pre rinse the car to get rid of the dust? I just went straight to washing the car with ONR. I used 2 oz for 4 gallons of water. Blotted dry with mf towels then used a waffle weave drying towel to blot down to dry as well. thanks AG. :buffing:
 
Your sure that the marring was not there before using ONR? For light dust it's not necessary to pre rinse, but it wouldn't hurt to do it. The idea of a no rinse is to get rid of the hose. It would be counterproductive. You could get a pump spray bottle with some qd strenth ONR to pre-soak and that would help a lot. I'm sure that your drying towels were clean. Knowing that you take the time to blot down your paint tells me that you are particular about your paint. I'm at a loss my friend.
 
yes it was not there before. prior washing I finished a one step polish using meg UC w/LC white pad. I decided to wash it because I was prepping my paint for the second step. Which would be menz 106 w/LC black pad.
 
Probably a stupid question, but you used the two bucket method and a quality MF or mitt, sponge, whatever?

Maybe there was something a little more than dust that was caught and didn't rinse off?

I don't know. Assuming you used the proper techniques (which sounds like you did) then I'm also at a loss. How soft is your paint? Since you are going to hit it with a finishing polish perhaps that may take out the marring. But even still you want to figure out what caused it to begin with.
 
Cg6LeMoN said:
yes it was not there before. prior washing I finished a one step polish using meg UC w/LC white pad. I decided to wash it because I was prepping my paint for the second step. Which would be menz 106 w/LC black pad.
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This makes me think that maybe it was there from polishing. UC might have been just a bit too aggressive and left slight marring behind. The polishing oils could have covered it up.

While polishing with UC/white did you do an IPA wipe down to check true correction?

Also you said you polished prior to washing, and in an above post you said it had been a week since you washed it last.... Can you clear up the timeline for us? How did you get the paint clean to polish?
 
SeaJay's said:
Probably a stupid question, but you used the two bucket method and a quality MF or mitt, sponge, whatever?

Maybe there was something a little more than dust that was caught and didn't rinse off?

I don't know. Assuming you used the proper techniques (which sounds like you did) then I'm also at a loss. How soft is your paint? Since you are going to hit it with a finishing polish perhaps that may take out the marring. But even still you want to figure out what caused it to begin with.
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Yes i used the two bucket method with a sheepskin mitt. Imo, I consider my paint to be moderate. Not too soft where a mf towel will marr it and not too hard where I need to hit it with an aggressive combo. Yes, I'm trying to figure out what caused the marring. Maybe next time I will hose it down first then ONR. Afterwards I will check it with my halogen lamp once more to double check.

PAR Detailing said:
This makes me think that maybe it was there from polishing. UC might have been just a bit too aggressive and left slight marring behind. The polishing oils could have covered it up.

While polishing with UC/white did you do an IPA wipe down to check true correction?

Also you said you polished prior to washing, and in an above post you said it had been a week since you washed it last.... Can you clear up the timeline for us? How did you get the paint clean to polish?
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I don't know if this was the cause or not but this could be a possibility. I did not do a IPA wipedown afterwards because I was planning to do that after the second polishing step. Yes, I did a one step polish a week prior the wash. I only drive from school and back three times a week on the freeway for 14 miles round trip. It did not look like I needed to pre rinse it so I just went straight to ONR wash. Hopefully it was because I did not pre rinse it and that's what caused the minor marring. I thought it wasn't really necessary because I've been seeing threads where people use ONR to wash snow off and I thought to myself, hey if he washed it with snow how bad can a little dust be?
 
Cg6LeMoN said:
. I did not do a IPA wipedown afterwards because I was planning to do that after the second polishing step.
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That line tells me that it might have been there after your polishing with UC. They might have been covered up, and when you used the ONR, it washed the oils from the UC that were hiding the marring.
 
M.P. Cobra Fan said:
That line tells me that it might have been there after your polishing with UC. They might have been covered up, and when you used the ONR, it washed the oils from the UC that were hiding the marring.
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This is what I was thinking as well. Thx AG. I will be sure to test the theory again in about two weeks when I wash my car again. :dblthumb2:
 
The others have given you many steps to review and it very well could have come from the polishing. Marring with ONR is from the same culprits as traditional washing: too much pressure, dirty wash media, drying before the surface is actually clean (some panels need more than one pass), drying process (most common cause with ONR or traditional and where most of the swirling comes from at tunnel washes), etc. If you eliminate the polishing and find that it was in your wash process, isolate your steps one at a time till you find the cause. With the exception of rinsing covered areas, ONR should produce better results than traditional washing because of the polymer protection left behind. Although it is not listed on the label, ONR can actually be used as a traditional wash, you just won't see any suds. You can prerinse, wash, and post rinse and still should see better results than a regular shampoo or wash-n-wax product.

FYI: We recommend a plush microfiber or the Opti Mitt for ONR washing.
 
ONR is a must-have product and when used correctly can offer great results. As with all wash methods it should be studied and use best techniques as possible.
 
As far as I know, UC has no polishing oils to speak of. It's a compound. I have never had marring covered up by it.

When I did my dad's Pilot with a one step of UC last summer for father's day, I didn't see the light marring in the shade but in the sun, obviously, it was clear. I didn't really care becasue the car is a dialy driver that has worse problems than a little marring but UC didn't cover up anything.

Just saying.
 
I have only tried UC one time. However when I did, I noticed that after a IPA wipedown of the panel, I saw some marring that was not there before the wipedown. It may not be from oils, but I did notice a difference.
 
Most likely it is from the UC, the lubricating oils in the compound will hide swirls too, even if they weren't intended to do that.

It could be from ur wash media, as other people have pointed out but ONR has worked well for so many people so it shouldn't be that. Hopefully this is a simple solution to sort out.
 
Shawn T. said:
As far as I know, UC has no polishing oils to speak of. It's a compound. I have never had marring covered up by it.

When I did my dad's Pilot with a one step of UC last summer for father's day, I didn't see the light marring in the shade but in the sun, obviously, it was clear. I didn't really care becasue the car is a dialy driver that has worse problems than a little marring but UC didn't cover up anything.

Just saying.
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It actually has a TON of polishing oils in it. While i agree with you that some exaggerate a lot in believing that you are going to all of the sudden find giant marring and swirls after an IPA wipe down, the fact is that there are a lot of polishing oil and lubrication in this hand compound.
 
Ultimate compound will hide some defects, I would definitely always do a wipedown with something after Ultimate compound.
 
mg6045 said:
It actually has a TON of polishing oils in it. While i agree with you that some exaggerate a lot in believing that you are going to all of the sudden find giant marring and swirls after an IPA wipe down, the fact is that there are a lot of polishing oil and lubrication in this hand compound.
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What do you mean exaggeration? Heck after the IPA it looked like someone keyed my car! No kidding!


:)
 
Grizzly said:
How do you know the product has lubricating oils?

I would imagine only Meguiars knows that.
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It obviously offers some lubrication of some kind otherwise the abrasives would marr the finish incredibly. It's the lubrication medium that helps to prevent this from happening.
 
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