Need some help....which polisher?

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Im really torn between the Flex 3401, Rupes 21 or Griots 21. Right now all I have is a Porter Cable 7424 and it just takes way to long to polish cars out. Now that we are starting to get more business I need something that is faster and more efficient.


I really don't want to go the rotary route because of the risk. Id much rather get a DA.


Which do you guys think works the fastest of those 3? Or is there something that might be better? and I cant wait for any of the new stuff coming out I need this asap. How much faster will any of these be compared to the PC7424?


Thanks!
 
I only have experience with the flex 3401, but I can tell you it is my go to polisher after using a rotary for over 15 years. I still use the rotary for paint that is really trashed or extremely hard, but still finish with the flex on those as well. It is an amazing tool.
 
Well yours is the most asked question lately. There are literally hundreds of threads like yours. That being said, I will be buying the Flex 3401 or the new equivalent machine when I replace my PC7424xp.
 
First decide/identity between which of the two DA technologies is best suited to your skill or technique, long throw or forced rotation.
 
Which do you guys think works the fastest of those 3?

Pad and product make a big difference in machine performance.

I consistently get more work done with my PC and a green hex/b&s pad than my 3401 with a heavy cut pad, and same buffing liquid - on swirls/scratches.

Heavy oxidation, I prefer the Flex 3401.
 
since you already have a PC, then it's time for...
Griots Garage BOSS Long Throw Orbital Polisher System

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Sooo many different answers now Im really confused!
 
Sooo many different answers now Im really confused!


We need to reduce the variables to narrow down the choices. From my experience I can only speak to the griots garage 6" but if you do this professionally then you have mentioned the top three contenders in the 21" arena.

I think if you are being more conservative I would say the GG BOSS system if good way to go with the lifetime warranty.
 
excellent customer service + lifetime warranty = G15/21 :dblthumb2:

This is definitely the direction I am leaning- to me it's the most exciting of the new machines.
 
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After taking a survey of who I think are the top three professional detailers in my area (LI,NY) , I found that while all have the Flex 3401 on hand they all gravitate towards the Rupes LHR15ES or LHR21ES with 5" backing plates. I currently use a Griots GG6 but the LHR21ES MarkII is on my Christmas list for what it's worth.
 
Well... I own Griot, Rupes and Flex machines and each has there strength.

Rupes is coming out with their MkII versions of their long throw machines (taking preorders now) to address the pad (backing plate) stalling issues that so many have had problems with.

Not that the machines stall with every owner, on every vehicle. But they do at times, especially so with curved panels, and even worse so with concave curves. Actually even the 12mm throw Duetto will stall, just not as bad as the larger throw machines.

Basically, the larger the throw, the greater the chance of stalling. Again... doesn't mean it will 100% of the time, but with a 21mm throw you can bet you'll see it happen.

Were I to look at the new Griot BOSS machines, I'd go for the 15 as I just don't need the extra throw of the 21mm machine. That machine is said not to stall like the Rupes. ;)

And if that isn't confusing enough... you also have the new Flex 15mm long throw machine coming next Spring. :D That and a lighter version of the 3401.

But let's get back to your original question.

Would you like the current Flex 3401, AND will it do a great job for you OR would you like the current Rupes 15 or 21?

For all out smoothness (with the above caveats included)... the Rupes 15.

For the ability to correct anything, at any angle, any shape, compound or convex curves..... AND with an available interchangeable backing plate system allowing you to run from 5" to 6½" pads the Flex wins hands down. :dblthumb2:

For something with a lifetime warranty, and (at least for me) turns on every time I pick it up... you can't beat any Griot machine. The GG6 is a great buffer, and has corrected tens of thousands of vehicles of all sizes to perfection. It also has the ability to run small pads to large pads with a simple twist of a wrench. I suspect the BOSS 15 would be my choice over the Rupes truth be told. Although I suspect the new Flex long throw to win out come next year (because I really don't need another one now). ;)
 
After taking a survey of who I think are the top three professional detailers in my area (LI,NY) , I found that while all have the Flex 3401 on hand they all gravitate towards the Rupes LHR15ES or LHR21ES with 5" backing plates. I currently use a Griots GG6 but the LHR21ES MarkII is on my Christmas list for what it's worth.

I'm often putting down the 3401 for the PC or Duetto...
 
Maybe I'm not using the right stuff. Right now I'm using a LC CCS orange pad witb Meguiars D151, Ultimate Compound and D105.

The D151 and the ultimate compound are pretty much the same with a slight edge going towards the Ultimate compound. The D105 cuts A LOT more but it still takes a verrrrry long time.

Maybe I need different pads or product?
 
Where are you located my01ws6? I ask only for the following reason.

Some years ago i had the chance to meet up with some local detailers and share an afternoon of just talking shop and looking over other's methods, tools etc. I tried about 2-3 others machines to feel them out. Nothing replaces hands on to really evaluate what you like. Maybe others in your area could share what they use and why to help you out.
 
Flex 3401 - (upside) won't stop spinning on concave areas such as bumpers, spoilers, trunk panels, the long throw devices struggle on these areas.

(Downside) a 6 hour + correction and its going to take a toll on you and your body, you have to apply more pressure then the long throw and the flex feels like its driving you for the ride.

Longthrow Da rather rupes or boss,

(downside) struggles on concave contoured edges if its not spinning your not fixing paint, this is where the 3401 comes in handy and glad I have both.

(Upside) on a open panel you will not beat the comfort and performance of a long throw machine, IMO I know the flex guys are going to kill me but IMO the longthrow corrects faster on a open panel with more comfort, the great thing is you let the machine do all the work for you, no crazy pressure no wobbling you are in complete control of the machine. It melts the swirls away.

Everyone has there choice and likes so just factor everything.
Me personally I'm happy I have the flex and long throws they all make a great team, but if I had to choose one I would choose my boss 21 I wouldn't be able to part ways without it
 
Maybe I'm not using the right stuff. Right now I'm using a LC CCS orange pad witb Meguiars D151, Ultimate Compound and D105.

The D151 and the ultimate compound are pretty much the same with a slight edge going towards the Ultimate compound. The D105 cuts A LOT more but it still takes a verrrrry long time.

Maybe I need different pads or product?

With Ultimate Compound, try the pink ccs, or green Buff and shine, and lay off the pressure a bit. Make sure that you have enough product on the pad as well. You definitely don't want too much, but you need to have "enough", especially getting started. For me it's usually four or five dots around the perimeter of the pad, followed by three for subsequent buffing cycles.

I tried getting the orange and yellow pads to cut more, I even tried them on the Flex 3401, but the quickest defect removal for me was the green buff and shine foam (I actually use the hex logic version, but the foam is what's important), Ultimate Compound, or M100 on a Porter Cable. I could tell by the amount of residue built up on the face of the pad, and the amount of defects left in the paint that I was getting better results from the unlikely combination, on a larger number of paints, in better time.

I'll be posting pics to my gallery where yesterday, I removed 1000 grit sanding marks, and texture with the PC 7424xp / green Hex Logic pad / and Ultimate Compound. There are some pics there already where I did that with a blue rupes microfiber / M105 / PC. Even after IPA wipe downs, the defects were gone. I also did the same with the blue B&S foam, and Ultimate Polish with 2000 grit, but it struggled more. 3000 grit would have been a breeze for Ultimate Polish on this paint.
 
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