Never Wax a Car?!

swanicyouth said:
Every time it read a post where someone says wax is bad for paint, I think they're a vegan.
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LOL!!!! If carnauba comes from plants, and carnauba waxes (made from plants) are bad for paint then do I extrapolate that plants are bad for paint, and therefore plants should be bad for humans!?!?!? So being a vegan makes no sense, if you think that wax is bad for paint

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Dr_Pain said:
LOL!!!! If carnauba comes from plants, and carnauba waxes (made from plants) are bad for paint then do I extrapolate that plants are bad for paint, and therefore plants should be bad for humans!?!?!? So being a vegan makes no sense, if you think that wax is bad for paint

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Dr_Pain said:
LOL!!!! If carnauba comes from plants, and carnauba waxes (made from plants) are bad for paint then do I extrapolate that plants are bad for paint, and therefore plants should be bad for humans!?!?!? So being a vegan makes no sense, if you think that wax is bad for paint



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No. You thought too much into it.
 
trekkeruss said:
Earlier I read a thread where someone claimed that leather conditioner is a better tire dressing than dressing made specifically for tires. This was the view of a person who claimed that all high end car owners do not use tire dressing.

Now I just read another thread (I was Googling around), where someone claims that wax is bad for paint! Here is a quote:

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Doing full blown customs and exotic cars for dozens of years in my own shop, Ill say I NEVER wax my own street or show cars. I use only polish. If I had to park always in harsh environments like under trees or bird nests, I might use wax. I drive all my cars year round and most set outside, some with covers. To me the shine is in the paint job...anything you put over it is just a protectant. Just my opinion. You can put $100 a can wax on your car, but if its a $100 paint job it dont make any difference. Same if you have a $5000 paint job...it looks the same with or without any wax. One reason I dont like wax is it makes water bead. In clearcoat paintjobs, those drops if you dont wipe them off burn microscopic holes in the clearcoat, causing premature failure. Thats my last word on it here, if anyone disagrees, thats fine."

I have never heard such a view before. Comments?

Here is the thread: [/FONT]Synthetic Polymer vs. Carnauba wax (which is better for your paint?) - Pennock's Fiero Forum[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
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LOL, there is just too much genius going on in that quote. .

However for your leather conditioner and tire shine quote
from a chemical stand point leather conditioners can be / are similar to certain tire shines/dressings
However this varies largely, as many things do

For example, I could make you a leather conditioner that also worked as a tire shine. . but it wouldn't be the best at either. So I would make you a leather conditioner that is much better at conditioning leather, and I would create a tire dressing that perform much better as solely a vinyl rubber etc dressing
 
Well what about PERL? Different dilutions work well for each application, might not be too crazy of a claim that leather conditioner works great on tires. I've never tried it so I can't comment.

As far as wax being bad for paint, I don't necessarily agree with that but his points about water beading leading to water spots has some validity. We know that chemical manufacturers design these products to bead water because to the consumer water beading = protection. I have hard water where I live so I've experienced water spots, especially on hoods where they literally bake on from engine heat. That being said, I don't think leaving your paint unprotected is a good idea at all, you just have to know how to deal with residual water. And as far as shine coming from the wax layer, look at the junkman video where he had the car polished to perfection and had people guess what kind of wax was on it. Everybody guessed and it turns out there was no wax on it. Doesn't mean I'm going to go to the local parts store and get the cheapest wax I can get my hands on, I'm a believer in the ability of LSP to alter the look of paint and use them accordingly.

Just playing devils advocate a bit, this guy obviously does ok for himself. Not the way I would choose to take care of my or my clients cars though.

And swanic, I'm vegan, what does that have to do with anything? :-p


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If water spots develop from beads on wax, then what happens with water on bare paint/clear? If you have hard water that effect is only going to be exacerbated when its sitting on unprotected paint. We only call them "water spots" because thats the shape a bead is. If water doesnt bead, then its a pool or a sheet. IE you now have very large water spots. Wax doesnt make water stay on a surface. Go throw some water down the side of a freshly waxed vehicle and see what happens.

I cant find any usefulness in his statement or value in considering it.
 
The guy probably also thinks shot gun shells are bad for shot guns lol

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ekennett said:
And swanic, I'm vegan, what does that have to do with anything? :-
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Sorry just a joke. No offense meant. I'm sure your a lot healthier than me!

You gotta wonder, since almost all new car manufacturers sell or recommend some sort of wax or sealant, wouldn't they know what's best for the paint?

If LSP'ing your paint was no good, why would it say to wax paint in every owners manual of every car I have at least owned.
 
swanicyouth said:
Sorry just a joke. No offense meant. I'm sure your a lot healthier than me!

You gotta wonder, since almost all new car manufacturers sell or recommend some sort of wax or sealant, wouldn't they know what's best for the paint?

If LSP'ing your paint was no good, why would it say to wax paint in every owners manual of every car I have at least owned.
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Just bustin chops, I get it all the time 8-)

I guess if you don't have wax or sealant or something for a sacrificial barrier layer then the water spots will etch directly into the paint. We use an LSP to give some measure of protection against the etching.


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ekennett said:
Just bustin chops, I get it all the time 8-)

I guess if you don't have wax or sealant or something for a sacrificial barrier layer then the water spots will etch directly into the paint. We use an LSP to give some measure of protection against the etching.


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We may not agree on eating meat, but we agree on that.

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Mmmmmm. Hungry.
 
Bump!! I talked to a friend today who owns an '88 Monte Carlo with beautifully redone black paint. I asked what kind of wax he uses because I noticed some areas that looked dull/dirty and others that looked great. He said "I don't use wax. It's pointless. Look at that paint!"

While he's right that it is very shiny, it made me sad to hear that beautiful paint is sitting there naked...

P.S. I found this thread by typing in "moron friend" in the search bar.
 
ekennett said:
Well what about PERL? Different dilutions work well for each application, might not be too crazy of a claim that leather conditioner works great on tires. I've never tried it so I can't comment.

As far as wax being bad for paint, I don't necessarily agree with that but his points about water beading leading to water spots has some validity. We know that chemical manufacturers design these products to bead water because to the consumer water beading = protection. I have hard water where I live so I've experienced water spots, especially on hoods where they literally bake on from engine heat. That being said, I don't think leaving your paint unprotected is a good idea at all, you just have to know how to deal with residual water. And as far as shine coming from the wax layer, look at the junkman video where he had the car polished to perfection and had people guess what kind of wax was on it. Everybody guessed and it turns out there was no wax on it. Doesn't mean I'm going to go to the local parts store and get the cheapest wax I can get my hands on, I'm a believer in the ability of LSP to alter the look of paint and use them accordingly.

Just playing devils advocate a bit, this guy obviously does ok for himself. Not the way I would choose to take care of my or my clients cars though.

And swanic, I'm vegan, what does that have to do with anything? :-p


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+1

I would like to pat myself on the back here and point out that I guessed Junkman had no wax on that paint! I knew his philosophy was that wax doesn't add any gloss (or something similar to this). I think their is some validity to this, IDK. On perfect paint, I'm not so sure wax does add anything (as far as looks), and if it does, it's very subtle.
 
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