While there are product snobs for sure, I just go with what works best/quickest for the least amount of $. For me that eliminates most OTC products.
New 2015 Turtle Wax Shine Lock Sealant. Thoughts & Discussion?
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While there are product snobs for sure, I just go with what works best/quickest for the least amount of $. For me that eliminates most OTC products.
Loach
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I hope this is okay to post on Autogeek, but I did happen to pick this up and I've worked with it the last two weeks and was able to upload a video review.
Shine Lock Sealant Review
It's certainly the only of its kind that can be found over the counter advertising that wipe on walk away approach. It applies similar to how you would apply a coating, but this stuff flashes very quickly, and I think this is going to confuse a lot of consumers who are going to question where exactly is has been applied and whether or not they're getting full coverage. I've never used Opti-Coat Pro, I've heard that stuff flashes quickly, but I would prefer this product to have a little bit longer dwell time like Opti-coat 2.0 so that there is no question as to where it has been applied and when you have to reapply the sealant to the applicator pad. Overall, if you over-apply it, it will still flash clear but you can feel some resistance of these areas when going over the paint with a microfiber, these areas will buff out easy. No streaking or hazing when pulled out into the sun.
My water test (starts 5:00 into the video), yielded a water sheeting behavior out of it. I'm not getting anywhere near the level of repellency compared to the ICE Liquid Wax that I applied at the same time. Leaves a nice shine and gloss, it looks good on the trim as well but I haven't tested any sort of trim darkening durability out of it. Not sure that I can talk about price here, but I will say that the price varies greatly depending on where you look. A concern of mine is I'm not getting that level of repellency out of my test that is showcased in their video above. I've applied, removed and reapplied many times, waiting the 24 hour cure period before wetting, and my tests are all consistent. So I know a lot of guys and consumers prefer that higher surface tension beading, I'm just not seeing that out of this product based on my tests.
Shine Lock Sealant Review
It's certainly the only of its kind that can be found over the counter advertising that wipe on walk away approach. It applies similar to how you would apply a coating, but this stuff flashes very quickly, and I think this is going to confuse a lot of consumers who are going to question where exactly is has been applied and whether or not they're getting full coverage. I've never used Opti-Coat Pro, I've heard that stuff flashes quickly, but I would prefer this product to have a little bit longer dwell time like Opti-coat 2.0 so that there is no question as to where it has been applied and when you have to reapply the sealant to the applicator pad. Overall, if you over-apply it, it will still flash clear but you can feel some resistance of these areas when going over the paint with a microfiber, these areas will buff out easy. No streaking or hazing when pulled out into the sun.
My water test (starts 5:00 into the video), yielded a water sheeting behavior out of it. I'm not getting anywhere near the level of repellency compared to the ICE Liquid Wax that I applied at the same time. Leaves a nice shine and gloss, it looks good on the trim as well but I haven't tested any sort of trim darkening durability out of it. Not sure that I can talk about price here, but I will say that the price varies greatly depending on where you look. A concern of mine is I'm not getting that level of repellency out of my test that is showcased in their video above. I've applied, removed and reapplied many times, waiting the 24 hour cure period before wetting, and my tests are all consistent. So I know a lot of guys and consumers prefer that higher surface tension beading, I'm just not seeing that out of this product based on my tests.
swanicyouth
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Loach,
That's a nice video for sure. Thanks for doing it. But that TW WOWA product just looks like it sux. It looks to have the hydrophobic characteristics of naked, decontaminated, healthy, clean paint. IMHO "sheeting" is just bad beading. Bad sheeting to me just means a product that really isn't hydrophobic.
This is kind of part of the reason why I don't buy "consumer" car care products - and tend to stick to boutique type products. The product claims great beading - but delivers little to none. How can that be? 99% of the masses probably don't even know what "beading" is - they just want to rub something on there car that's advertised to "protect" it.
So, to me it looks like the advertising is misleading. They also say it lasts a year. Now they lied regarding the beading - who's to say they won't lie about that? Maybe it lasts a few days? Who knows?
Now you've (someone) spent your money and time on this product - when those of us in the know (like you) just could have went with some AG WOWA sealant and got stellar results. While the product may initially be "cheaper", the hit or miss performance of these type of products means you (any user) has to waste their valuable time playing around with them to see if they perform as described.
But if your selling a boutique product like this - you'd better deliver. Because, the enthusiast market does care - and plenty of people like me will get on forums like AGO and bash it all day long. So, IMHO most of the boutique products deliver pretty reliably: Pinnacle, Optimum, Prima, BlackFire, DoDo Juice, etc... So, while the initial application cost may be more - I know when I'm using them I'm going to get good results and not just waste my time (very valuable to me) on a product that under delivers.
It's not about being a product snob, it's about trusting and supporting the people who make the stuff you use to deliver reliable good results - so you don't waste your time and money on an inferior product that will end up in the garbage. I've listed some brands I mostly trust - and know I will get excellent results with their products.
The Turtle - not so much.
So, I'd rather not support a company that puts out inconsistent products - which means to me they really don't give a ####.
On the other hand, their liquid wax seems to bead well.
That's a nice video for sure. Thanks for doing it. But that TW WOWA product just looks like it sux. It looks to have the hydrophobic characteristics of naked, decontaminated, healthy, clean paint. IMHO "sheeting" is just bad beading. Bad sheeting to me just means a product that really isn't hydrophobic.
This is kind of part of the reason why I don't buy "consumer" car care products - and tend to stick to boutique type products. The product claims great beading - but delivers little to none. How can that be? 99% of the masses probably don't even know what "beading" is - they just want to rub something on there car that's advertised to "protect" it.
So, to me it looks like the advertising is misleading. They also say it lasts a year. Now they lied regarding the beading - who's to say they won't lie about that? Maybe it lasts a few days? Who knows?
Now you've (someone) spent your money and time on this product - when those of us in the know (like you) just could have went with some AG WOWA sealant and got stellar results. While the product may initially be "cheaper", the hit or miss performance of these type of products means you (any user) has to waste their valuable time playing around with them to see if they perform as described.
But if your selling a boutique product like this - you'd better deliver. Because, the enthusiast market does care - and plenty of people like me will get on forums like AGO and bash it all day long. So, IMHO most of the boutique products deliver pretty reliably: Pinnacle, Optimum, Prima, BlackFire, DoDo Juice, etc... So, while the initial application cost may be more - I know when I'm using them I'm going to get good results and not just waste my time (very valuable to me) on a product that under delivers.
It's not about being a product snob, it's about trusting and supporting the people who make the stuff you use to deliver reliable good results - so you don't waste your time and money on an inferior product that will end up in the garbage. I've listed some brands I mostly trust - and know I will get excellent results with their products.
The Turtle - not so much.
So, I'd rather not support a company that puts out inconsistent products - which means to me they really don't give a ####.
On the other hand, their liquid wax seems to bead well.
MPBGT
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Awesome video review
Those results look pretty unfortunate. I've been a big fan of their rinse less wash and want to try their new trim and tire product. I hoped they were becoming a little more enthusiast minded.
While sheeting is a valid way to deal with water it seems very misleading on their packaging. While beading is not necessarily an indicator of protection, it is to Most buyers. They are going to be very disappointed when they could get better beading from the cheapest wax on the shelf than TW's latest and greatest product.
I don't see this lasting long at retail.
Those results look pretty unfortunate. I've been a big fan of their rinse less wash and want to try their new trim and tire product. I hoped they were becoming a little more enthusiast minded.
While sheeting is a valid way to deal with water it seems very misleading on their packaging. While beading is not necessarily an indicator of protection, it is to Most buyers. They are going to be very disappointed when they could get better beading from the cheapest wax on the shelf than TW's latest and greatest product.
I don't see this lasting long at retail.
Klasse Act
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Hey Guz, thanks for the heads up, you know I'm going to get it, I've been happy with the last 2 TW products, their rinseless and "giant slayer" which is the non-aerosol tire coating!
Klasse Act
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I just ordered this Guz, thanks man! With my coupon code I paid under $20.00, did I need this, well no but do I wanna try it because of the roll Turtle Wax has been on...HELL YES!
Now comes the problem, the calender:bash:
Now comes the problem, the calender:bash:
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Loach, great review for sure! I'm not doubting your ability to apply the product properly but alot of us here, including myself, like to apply the product twice "just to make sure", I wonder if this will do anything to improve the performance as its to be applied oh so thin? Like I said I assume you've applied enough product and did the 24 hr cure time sure enough, assumed it was cured in the garage?
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Loach
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I appreciate the feedback guys. :xyxthumbs:
I have not tested a second layered coat yet, I will try and set this test up to see if anything changes as a result. This test car also is not garaged during the cure period due to lack of garage space. The days and nights in Florida have been relatively mild, and based on the consistency of how the other products are performing here compared to when I tested them under fully garaged conditions over the summer in Chicago, I'm skeptical that the conditions overnight here are having any impact on the results. But I can only assume that. It's very possible that both Paint Protect and Shine Lock Sealant are much more fragile during the cure period and need more ideal conditions to cure properly. I make sure that the paint stays dry while they cure and so far the overnight temperatures for the times I've tested SLS out have been in the high 50s to mid 30s, with no observable difference in how they behave after rinsing the next evening. I'm looking forward to seeing how your results turn out with this sealant.
Loach, great review for sure! I'm not doubting your ability to apply the product properly but alot of us here, including myself, like to apply the product twice "just to make sure", I wonder if this will do anything to improve the performance as its to be applied oh so thin? Like I said I assume you've applied enough product and did the 24 hr cure time sure enough, assumed it was cured in the garage?
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I have not tested a second layered coat yet, I will try and set this test up to see if anything changes as a result. This test car also is not garaged during the cure period due to lack of garage space. The days and nights in Florida have been relatively mild, and based on the consistency of how the other products are performing here compared to when I tested them under fully garaged conditions over the summer in Chicago, I'm skeptical that the conditions overnight here are having any impact on the results. But I can only assume that. It's very possible that both Paint Protect and Shine Lock Sealant are much more fragile during the cure period and need more ideal conditions to cure properly. I make sure that the paint stays dry while they cure and so far the overnight temperatures for the times I've tested SLS out have been in the high 50s to mid 30s, with no observable difference in how they behave after rinsing the next evening. I'm looking forward to seeing how your results turn out with this sealant.
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Too bad there is no such product exist up to my expectation for use in Asia yet.
Anything beads similar to collinite will create water spot here...real fast
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I picked up my TW WOWA sealant last night, now it's up to Mother Nature to determine when I can start using it
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PA DETAILER
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Interesting product. Looking foward to your thoughts.
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hmm, great video and nice review.
i'm curious how it would have behaved with flooding, but i'm not impressed with the behavior of the Shine Lock side at all.
re: your point about flashing, the coatings are way different tech. Opti-Seal is a wowa sealant and it flashes pretty fast if you use it properly. of course you can lay it on thick and it'll sit around for a while but eventually flash clean...unless you are completely negligent - i've never tried being that wild with it.
Opti-Seal is brainless to install and works so well so in light of how i know Opti-Seal behaves, i am not impressed with what i'm seeing in the vid about that sealant.
it makes me think something is wrong because even the most basic OTC protection products appear to work better.
i'm curious how it would have behaved with flooding, but i'm not impressed with the behavior of the Shine Lock side at all.
re: your point about flashing, the coatings are way different tech. Opti-Seal is a wowa sealant and it flashes pretty fast if you use it properly. of course you can lay it on thick and it'll sit around for a while but eventually flash clean...unless you are completely negligent - i've never tried being that wild with it.
Opti-Seal is brainless to install and works so well so in light of how i know Opti-Seal behaves, i am not impressed with what i'm seeing in the vid about that sealant.
it makes me think something is wrong because even the most basic OTC protection products appear to work better.
dlc95
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That puts you in good company, with the likes of Jason Rose.
On a podcast with Larry Kosilla, Jason was discussing the dilemma Megs was having with deciding how to treat the water - sheet or bead. It was their (megs) position that sheeting was favorable because it reduces the chance of water etching bought on when the sun hits the bead of water, etc...
I saw a video where someone tested Zymol Carbon against a Victoria wax, and the Zymol beaded, then rolled right of the paint. I guess for me, I'd rather have that than sheeting, or stationary beads.
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beamerstrumpet
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Well I might try it but I still have 3/4 gallon of SCG NANO SEAL and a 32 oz bottle of POXY LOLOL yea I think I got sealant pretty much covered!LOLOL