New business, fill in the gaps for what I don't have?

Mike Hoekstra

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Well, I pulled the trigger this weekend and I'm going to start my own part-time detailing business. Friday I joined the IDA and purchased my 10 written tests (though I couldn't take any of them for some reason today). My sister-in-law found me a fantastic insurance policy that includes garage keepers, but also covers my small paint booth, equipment break down, and structure, and I filed my LLC with the state today to be official as of July 1.

I've amassed most everything I need over the last 5 years to continue doing regular detailing tasks - paint correction, engine degrease, exterior/interior cleaning etc. I do not have any products for matte finishes as I've never had a call or need for them with all of the vehicles in our family or friends. Do I just go ahead and fill in the gaps now, or wait and see what the demand is? Having worked in every facet of retail - purchasing, warehousing, and sales - I'm aware if you don't have it you can't sell it, but I also don't want money sitting around being wasted either. I do not have a steam machine yet, but that is on my list along with some blower fans if I need to do wet vacuuming. I'm not sure if a pneumatic frame jack would be useful as well, as I'm not sure how many "showroom" details I will do where it's a wheels-off detail. This would also require a torque wrench for putting the wheels back on.

Thank you in advance for any constructive feedback and/or advice. My wife, friends, and family are very excited for me.
 
First thing to consider is not necessarily to focus on paint correction but interior. Interiors are the biggest and most obvious difference at times. A lot of people don't know what swirls are but.. they do know what salt stains in carpet and no salt stains in carpet looks like.

If you're looking for a jack, look up quick jacks. Much cheaper and works better than a lot of other jacks for your wheels off detail should you choose to go down that path. Remember though, that more money is made doing a bunch of soccer mom vans than doing a show car with ceramic coating. Steam machine will make your life a lot easier for interior and exterior.

Also, look at the market around you. Are you going to do mobile? Do you have your own shop space right now?

Matte paint is easy. Dr. Beasleys matte care line has pretty much everything you'd need for 99 percent of it. The other 1 percent hasn't been invented basically.

Also, do you plan on doing paint touch ups? That requires some specific tools as well. What about tint and PPF? Just putting suggestions out.

At the end of the day, there's way too much stuff to consider trying to fill the gaps. Have a well rounded inventory where you will use everything you have. But also check your market as well. No need for Concours finishing products if there's no market in your area for it.

Things to note: Marketing, R&D in terms of products, as well as social media.
 
WillSports3 said:
First thing to consider is not necessarily to focus on paint correction but interior. Interiors are the biggest and most obvious difference at times. A lot of people don't know what swirls are but.. they do know what salt stains in carpet and no salt stains in carpet looks like.

If you're looking for a jack, look up quick jacks. Much cheaper and works better than a lot of other jacks for your wheels off detail should you choose to go down that path. Remember though, that more money is made doing a bunch of soccer mom vans than doing a show car with ceramic coating. Steam machine will make your life a lot easier for interior and exterior.

Also, look at the market around you. Are you going to do mobile? Do you have your own shop space right now?

Matte paint is easy. Dr. Beasleys matte care line has pretty much everything you'd need for 99 percent of it. The other 1 percent hasn't been invented basically.

Also, do you plan on doing paint touch ups? That requires some specific tools as well. What about tint and PPF? Just putting suggestions out.

At the end of the day, there's way too much stuff to consider trying to fill the gaps. Have a well rounded inventory where you will use everything you have. But also check your market as well. No need for Concours finishing products if there's no market in your area for it.

Things to note: Marketing, R&D in terms of products, as well as social media.
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Thank you for the feedback and recommendations. No tint or PPF, there's plenty of established businesses in town doing that. My own shop space (outbuilding on my property) is about two weeks out from being completed once the contractors get back to work. Interiors will likely be the bulk of what I do. It's a big hockey town so at the end of the season (or throughout) the cars get roached. I 100% agree interiors for soccer/hockey families will be the bulk of my business. The jack would be a late add-on. I don't think I'll be doing high end stuff by any means until after I've been at it for a bit. Paint touch ups, I've done on my own and have a bunch of tools/things from my custom painting experience of helmets etc. I've considered doing the mobile detail as there isn't anyone locally doing it presently. There are a lot of "lakers" in the area, so good potential for boat details as well once I get the product knowledge and learn the technique to do it
 
It sounds like you've thought a lot of it out. I would suggest biggest thing right now is to calculate monthly flat costs in one section, then adjustable costs in the other section. For example, I don't know how much you pay for water but let's just say for a wash, how much would it cost you?

Water
one ounce (I assume) of shampoo
Towels (Not cost of towels per say but cost of laundry for said towels)
Drying aid (if applicable. Lets just say a 16 ounce bottle cost you say, 12 dollars. It might be about a dollar to help dry a car?
Then your time as well, based on how much per hour you'd be wanting to charge for labour costs.

Same thing for interior. How much would you use on average for say, an interior cleaner/APC, whatever the case is. THen towels, laundry costs for towels, and of course time. THen base on what you want your margins to be. 15%? 20%? That way you can get your costs dialed down.
 
Mike Phillips said:
I think you have a MUCH better start than 99.9% of the people that try to start a "real" detailing business no matter what the format. In other words,


  1. Part-time
  2. Full-time
  3. Brick & Mortar
  4. Mobile


Read my comments I posted here last week on the same topic,


Advice for someone considering a mobile detailing side business?



:)
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Thank you Mike. I will give it a read. The mobile part may come later. Right now it will be strictly out of the new outbuilding/shop we are constructing on our property.
 
These are items I do not have, and products I need to fill in the gaps for. What is/isn't an immediate need or necessity, or should I just fill in all the gaps now? Thank you in advance.

What I don't have -

Alcantara cleaner
Vinyl Top cleaner & protectant
Canvas/convertible top cleaner & protectant
Steam cleaning machine
Matte paint/decal cleaner & protectant.
 
I suggest doing what you are comfortable with.

Be honest with people of what you can and are willing\comfortable doing!

Start off setting your prices and being firm about them. For example if a customer opts for a one step correction, just do a one step correction. We tend as Detailers to be after perfection, and people sometimes are not willing/want to pay for that. You must remember you are after an improvement not perfection on some jobs.

I find one of the best things to do is asking a customer what area concerns them. Then put extra effort in that area to make them happy. Always a recipe for success. Answers will vary so widely and gives you an idea of what they will first notice and judge the work on.
 
Spikey Mike said:
These are items I do not have, and products I need to fill in the gaps for. What is/isn't an immediate need or necessity, or should I just fill in all the gaps now? Thank you in advance.

What I don't have -

Alcantara cleaner
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SONAX Upholstery & Acantara Cleaner is a SAFE product. I don't have any reviews or how-to articles for this product but I've used it and seen it used for years and it's always safe and always effective. If this product cannot clean it then probably nothing can that won't screw it up at the same times.


SONAX Upholstery & Alcantara Cleaner



Spikey Mike said:
Vinyl Top cleaner & protectant
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The go-to product in this category is 303

How To Restore and Protect a Vinyl Top using 303 Products



Spikey Mike said:
Canvas/convertible top cleaner & protectant
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Get the brush and the products

NEW Haartz/RaggTopp Convertible Top Brush - How to clean and protect a convertible top




Spikey Mike said:
Steam cleaning machine
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Review and how-to: Vapor Chief Steam Cleaners by Mike Phillips

I like and recommend the 100 model. Best entry level continuous fill option and all the tools and attachments are top notch.

Review and how-to: Vapor Chief Steam Cleaners by Mike Phillips



Spikey Mike said:
Matte paint/decal cleaner & protectant.
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Hang tight for a week or two.



:)
 
Dr Oldz said:
I suggest doing what you are comfortable with.

Be honest with people of what you can and are willing\comfortable doing!

Start off setting your prices and being firm about them. For example if a customer opts for a one step correction, just do a one step correction. We tend as Detailers to be after perfection, and people sometimes are not willing/want to pay for that. You must remember you are after an improvement not perfection on some jobs.

I find one of the best things to do is asking a customer what area concerns them. Then put extra effort in that area to make them happy. Always a recipe for success. Answers will vary so widely and gives you an idea of what they will first notice and judge the work on.
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Thank you. I am comfortable with almost everything. I have absolutely no problems saying Yes I can/No I can't. I know my skill level and own it. As a an artist who has been doing custom painting the last few years, I've had some requests to do things that were out of my realm. Fortunately I have friends that also have skills and referred the business to them.
 
Mike Phillips said:
SONAX Upholstery & Acantara Cleaner is a SAFE product. I don't have any reviews or how-to articles for this product but I've used it and seen it used for years and it's always safe and always effective. If this product cannot clean it then probably nothing can that won't screw it up at the same times.


SONAX Upholstery & Alcantara Cleaner






The go-to product in this category is 303

How To Restore and Protect a Vinyl Top using 303 Products





Get the brush and the products

NEW Haartz/RaggTopp Convertible Top Brush - How to clean and protect a convertible top






Review and how-to: Vapor Chief Steam Cleaners by Mike Phillips

I like and recommend the 100 model. Best entry level continuous fill option and all the tools and attachments are top notch.

Review and how-to: Vapor Chief Steam Cleaners by Mike Phillips






Hang tight for a week or two.



:)
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Thanks Mike! How about using a steam machine for vinyl top or canvas/vinyl convertible tops? Or is that a seasoned professional/experience detailing method?
 
Spikey Mike said:
Thanks Mike!

How about using a steam machine for vinyl top or canvas/vinyl convertible tops?

Or is that a seasoned professional/experience detailing method?
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Cleaning a vinyl or canvas top with steam would be the slowest and most IN-EFFECTIVE method I can think of.

I would never use steam for this type of work.

My reviews that I shared the link to - show the BEST way to work on vinyl and cloth tops.


Steam looks cool that's for sure. Here's what you see on Facebook....

Vapor_Chief_061.JPG




Looks cool.



Steam works, but so does normal methods.

And if you read the article I shared - I DO share all the benefits of using steam, so it's not that I'm not up-to-speed. But for my type of detailing work I never use it.


If you like the benefits of steam I listed in my review for the Vapor Chiefs - then get one. The way you become an expert is by using it a LOT. And you'll find you mostly use it for cleaning car interiors.




:)
 
Mike Phillips said:
Cleaning a vinyl or canvas top with steam would be the slowest and most IN-EFFECTIVE method I can think of.

I would never use steam for this type of work.

My reviews that I shared the link to - show the BEST way to work on vinyl and cloth tops.


Steam looks cool that's for sure. Here's what you see on Facebook....

Vapor_Chief_061.JPG




Looks cool.



Steam works, but so does normal methods.

And if you read the article I shared - I DO share all the benefits of using steam, so it's not that I'm not up-to-speed. But for my type of detailing work I never use it.


If you like the benefits of steam I listed in my review for the Vapor Chiefs - then get one. The way you become an expert is by using it a LOT. And you'll find you mostly use it for cleaning car interiors.




:)
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Thanks again Mike. I have no doubt you are up to speed, and I've been looking at the Vapor Chief and Duprae steamers in the $1000 range. I am purchasing it specifically for interior cleanings of carpets, carpeted mats, light cleaning of headliners (only as necessary), and cloth interiors. I've got the other products you recommended in my "wish list" to buy and I am a particular individual for a specific product for a specific task.
 
I can say Sonax for Alcantara works well from 1st hand experience! My Wife's SQ5 has Alcantara seats and out 4 year old daughter does a # on them! It works great! The genius that did the yearly inspection on my 911 felt the need to run his greasy hands across the Alacantara head liner too and it cleaned right up! Good stuff!
 
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