New Gloss Coat

runrun411 said:
What's the difference compared to the old formula???
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50% more durable (lasts 3 years now) and in my experience is even easier to work with. I had to actually slow down and wait before knocking down the high spots since this new formula gives you so much time. VERY user friendly.
 
Be aware that, Optimum indicates that their coatings are NOT compatible with CarPro Essence
 
AGOatemywallet said:
Be aware that, Optimum indicates that their coatings are NOT compatible with CarPro Essence
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You say it like the car is going to catch on fire. I think the actual quote from Optimum is they haven't tried it, because they don't do testing with other people's products, and that from the sound of it they don't think it would be a good base....but of course they have no experience with it or know what it's like because they don't test other people's products.

However, I believe several members have used Essence under other-brand coatings without any problems...so far.
 
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#1 CarPro Essence and OPT Coatings:

Posted 14 December 2015 - 08:05 PM

Which Optimum Coatings are compatible with CarPro Essence?

If some are not compatible, why?

Thanks

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 08:34 AM

We have not tested any Optimum Coating on Essence but would guess that the fillers/sealers they advertise would not create the best bond. In general it's best to use products from the same manufacturer to insure compatibility.

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I also read here on AGO Forum that OPT suggests that Essence is not compatible with their longer lasting coatings (>2 years)

I have to believe that, given the successful launch of Essence; all of the coating manufacturers are testing their products with Essence

They are probably in the lab right now trying to duplicate it
 
It seems like if you've already spent the money on the new Gloss Coat and you've gone through all that trouble prepping the paint, you may as well spent the couple of extra bucks on the Optimum product they recommend to ensure a good bond of the coating.
 
AGOatemywallet said:
I also read here on AGO Forum that OPT suggests that Essence is not compatible with their longer lasting coatings (>2 years)

I have to believe that, given the successful launch of Essence; all of the coating manufacturers are testing their products with Essence

They are probably in the lab right now trying to duplicate it
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Optimum provides "PREP POLISH" with their pro products. It helps the coating bond to the paint. No need for a filling polish. The idea is to have a swirl free finish prior to Opti Coat or Gloss Coat.
 
AGOatemywallet said:
all of the coating manufacturers are testing their products with Essence

They are probably in the lab right now trying to duplicate it
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How do you know this?

As an FYI, please remember that Opti Coat is a ceramic clear coat that bonds to paint permanently. So nothing filling should ever be considered prior to OC.

Except for that both types of LSPS are called "coatings" they are very different. See if this helps you. The new OPTI COAT PRO PLUS NOW COMES WITH A 7 YEAR WARRANTY btw. Very different durability from those "NANO SEALANTS"


The similarities and differences in coatings available on the market are quite striking. 
All true coatings are ceramic based, ceramic being a term meaning inorganic. (http://en.wikipedia.org/####/Ceramic) Organics such as sealants are carbon based and as such wear away over time, ceramic in itself is permanent, being as it’s inorganic.

Coatings are characterised by their silicon content (not silicone), and 2 principal variations of silicon are used. The most common is Silicon Dioxide, sometimes marketed as glass, quartz or ceramic and in all cases that’s true. SiO2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/####/Silicon_dioxide) is suspended in a resin in the form of Nano particles of Silicon Dioxide, and the resins suspend this in a film over the paint. SiO2 has a melting point of 1,600 °C (2,910 °F; 1,870 K) and on the Mohs scale of hardness is a 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/####/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness) .

The other coating system is Silicon Carbide, SiC (http://en.wikipedia.org/####/Silicon_carbide). Opti-Coat Pro is the only coating available that harnesses the strengths of Silicon Carbide(sometimes referred to as ceramic, industrial diamonds and carborundum). Unlike SiO2 based coatings the SiC based coating actually bonds to the paint and the SiC is formed as a chemical reaction in that process, not by having Nano particles of the ceramic floating in a resin. SiC is superior to SiO2 coatings chemically and has a melting point of 2,730 °C (4,950 °F; 3,000 K) and is a 9 on the Mohs scale of hardness.

Opti-Coat Pro is unique in many ways because of this fundamental difference in chemistry. Opti-Coat–Pro becomes one with the paint instead of suspending nano particles of a harder substance in a resin. This gives Opti-Coat Pro far superior chemical resistance, as the chemical must break down the SiC, and not break down a resin holding SiO2 nano particles. OCP is harder than other coatings, but no coating is scratch proof. To obtain maximum strength other coatings require heat curing and multiple layers, with OCP that’s not required. SiO2 coatings obtain their maximum gloss immediately, and that gloss drops off over time, Opti-Coat Pro obtains it’s maximum gloss once the polymerization ( http://en.wikipedia.org/####/Polymerization) process is completed (roughly 7 days). Opti-Coat Pro will maintain its gloss over time, SiO2 coatings start losing their gloss through oxidation and it continues to drop, requiring the need to add periodically some form of resin to maintain or restore the gloss and protection.
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Looking at these two labels and the tubes facing the same way which one is the new formula?
 
Joeguam said:
Looking at these two labels and the tubes facing the same way which one is the new formula?
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Um...neither? I think the only difference in the labeling is the new version has an additional gold sticker on it that says "new version", which is the way OPT has been identifying new versions for years and years.
 
I can not seem to remember but there was a thread that showed the sticker placement was a way to identify the new from the old formula. Before I give it as a gift to a family member I want to give them the new formula.
 
Joeguam said:
I can not seem to remember but there was a thread that showed the sticker placement was a way to identify the new from the old formula. Before I give it as a gift to a family member I want to give them the new formula.
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You're misunderstanding, there is a separate round gold sticker that says "new formula" that is applied in addition to the standard labels shown in your picture.

Like this (borrowed from The Guz's thread):

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I bought a 10cc a month on AGO before the new version was released and it had the "NEW FORMULA" sticker then just last week I bought the Optimum Gloss-Coat Paint Coating 20 cc New Formula with Free Bonus sale but it does not have a the "NEW FORMULA" sticker.
 
They were clearing out the old version of the 20cc, that's why it was such a good price.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
They were clearing out the old version of the 20cc, that's why it was such a good price.
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New version as advertise says it can be topped with your favorite non-abrasive finishing wax". So when I bought ---> Optimum Paint Coating and it does not have the "NEW FORMULA" sticker then it is the old version?
As mentioned and reading on a forum, someone that went to SEMA 2015 displayed the sticker as a form of indicator.
 
That would be the idea of a "new formula" sticker, to denote the new formula. Therefore if it doesn't have the sticker, it would be the old formula. The old formula can be topped, just like the new one, the new formula is rated at 3 years longevity instead of 2.
 
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