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Jim w

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First, hello all. I have lurked for some time. I only work on my own cars. Here's where I'm confused. I thought that after clay I should use the Pinnacle paintwork cleansing lotion then the paint correction. However, I was reading on Pinnacle.com that they recommend using it AFTER correction. Help.

Thanks,
Jim
 
I haven't read up on the Pinnacle product, but most paint cleansers have very little cut. Kind of like a very fine finishing polish. You don't want to use a finishing polish, paint cleanser, before compound or a more aggressive polish.
 
Jim w said:
First, hello all. I have lurked for some time. I only work on my own cars. Here's where I'm confused. I thought that after clay I should use the Pinnacle paintwork cleansing lotion then the paint correction. However, I was reading on Pinnacle.com that they recommend using it AFTER correction. Help.

Thanks,
Jim
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I would have thought the same thing... glad you made this post.
 
The cleansing lotion chemically cleans the paint before applying your wax, sealant, or coating. This assures it's adhering to bare paint and not the oils left behind from polishing.
For this reason it would go after any polishing and before your LSP (paint protection).
 
Jim w said:
First, hello all. I have lurked for some time. I only work on my own cars.
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Hi Jim,

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:




Jim w said:
Here's where I'm confused. I thought that after clay I should use the Pinnacle paintwork cleansing lotion then the paint correction.
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That's wrong.

When working on a car's paint you're either going to use a paint cleaner OR you're going to use compounds and polishes but you don't ever need to use both.

A paint clean is like hand soap in that it LIGHTLY cleans only the surface to remove,

  • Light staining like road grime
  • Impacted dirt bonded on the surface
  • Light oxidation
  • Stains
  • Surface impurities
It prepares the paint for an application of a finishing or non-cleaning wax.

IF you're going to use either a dedicated polish or if you're going to start with a dedicated compound and follow this with a polish then there's absolutely zero reason to follow either of these with a paint cleaner BECAUSE the compounding and polishing will have done everything a paint cleaner will do PLUS MORE.

A paint cleaner is typically NON-abrasive thus it can ONLY clean the surface. Compounds and polish will clean the surface like a paint cleaner but because they contain some type of abrasive technology they will also remove BELOW surface paint defects like swirls, scratches and water spots.

So a paint cleaner is typically a product for newer cars without below surface paint defects while compounds and polishes are typically products for either older cars with swirls and scratches or newer cars that have swirls and scratches.

A paint cleaner is what I call an either/or products. You're either going to use a paint cleaner or you're going to use compounds and polishes but never both.


Jim w said:
However, I was reading on Pinnacle.com that they recommend using it AFTER correction. Help.

Thanks,
Jim
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I'll look into the copy on Pinnacle.com


What are you working on?
What are you trying to do?


:)
 
Mike,

I will be working on a gun metal gray 2010 Honda Accord.
Last year I clayed and polished it with PAFP. Then I used Klasse
KHGSG sealant and topped it with PSS2. It has not been out more than once a week and never in the rain. I want to go to a finish like I have seen you do and the people on this forum. I have all the Pinnacle products but the PAC. I have a PC7424xp and
LC CCS pads orange, white and gray and red.

Jim
Thank you for clearing up the PPCL
 
This is good info. From what I've read, I was under the impression that the cleansing lotion was similar to an IPA wipe down, but now I know it's an either/or product....And my wife thinks I spend too much time on detailing forums. Pish posh, learned something new.


Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Hi Jim,

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:






That's wrong.

When working on a car's paint you're either going to use a paint cleaner OR you're going to use compounds and polishes but you don't ever need to use both.

A paint clean is like hand soap in that it LIGHTLY cleans only the surface to remove,

  • Light staining like road grime
  • Impacted dirt bonded on the surface
  • Light oxidation
  • Stains
  • Surface impurities
It prepares the paint for an application of a finishing or non-cleaning wax.

IF you're going to use either a dedicated polish or if you're going to start with a dedicated compound and follow this with a polish then there's absolutely zero reason to follow either of these with a paint cleaner BECAUSE the compounding and polishing will have done everything a paint cleaner will do PLUS MORE.

A paint cleaner is typically NON-abrasive thus it can ONLY clean the surface. Compounds and polish will clean the surface like a paint cleaner but because they contain some type of abrasive technology they will also remove BELOW surface paint defects like swirls, scratches and water spots.

So a paint cleaner is typically a product for newer cars without below surface paint defects while compounds and polishes are typically products for either older cars with swirls and scratches or newer cars that have swirls and scratches.

A paint cleaner is what I call an either/or products. You're either going to use a paint cleaner or you're going to use compounds and polishes but never both.





I'll look into the copy on Pinnacle.com


What are you working on?
What are you trying to do?


:)
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I thought the PPWCL was a chemical cleaner to get anything left
in the paint out after claying and before starting paint correction. So much to learn and this is just the place for that. So many willing to share their knowledge!!!


Jim
 
Jim w said:
Mike,

I want to go to a finish like I have seen you do and the people on this forum.

I have all the Pinnacle products but the PAC. (Pinnacle Advanced Compound)

I have a PC7424xp and LC CCS pads orange, white and gray and red.
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Are the LC pads the 6.5" or the 5.5" pads?




Jim w said:
Jim

Thank you for clearing up the PPCL
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I need to write an article sharing the difference between paint cleaners and "real" compounds and polishes because this topic of confusion comes up often enough that it warrants an article.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
I need to write an article sharing the difference between paint cleaners and "real" compounds and polishes because this topic of confusion comes up often enough that it warrants an article.
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Joshwaa said:
:iagree:Yes Please!
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Hi Jim,

Just read your PM about writing the above article.

I don't have that kind of time today.

I have to get off the forum and update my Power Point Presentation for next week's January Competition Ready Detailing Class.

Time is very short this month and actually for the next three months due to filming for our TV show plus,

The Stuart Boat Show --> going on today, tomorrow and Sunday - I'm working at it tomorrow and Sunday

My 3-day class

Filming a show in California and Arizona, next week and the following week.

And Mobile Tech Expo!

So I really need to peel off the forum after this reply.


:)
 
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