New or Classic?

I may have missed it, but is this going to be your daily driver? If so, Id definitely get the newer one for maintanence sake. But if this is you weekend fun go, Id definitely get the bird.
 
No, this will not be my daily driver. This is going to be my main toy (if I decide to buy it, that is).
 
You know what, after reading Mike's and the others on page 2, I feel like I am siding with them.

I agree that life is short, if you have the means, go for it dude.
 
I am just loving the new Camaros, sexy styling with today's technologies can't be beat. This coming from someone who regrets selling his 68 convertible everyday.
 
The build quality and tech changes make a new one a no brainer to me!
 
okleyguy said:
You can't be serious :laughing::laughing: These are at best high ten second cars through the quarter I can run mid 9s with out NOS on a street tire now breaking these cars got the old boy hands down.:iagree:
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So it makes 650 hp w/ NOS......is this whp or engine hp? Would you happen to have some stats on the engine/trans/rearend for me/us? Actual time slips are also very handy too, along with honesty (not saying your not but the drag strip is VERY humbling, trust me, I've seen surprising things happen down the 1320!)

Now as far as doggin' on the V6, well, I bet that V6 Camaro would beat that 69' Firebird in a dragrace, with 315 hp on top, shouldn't be a problem, even if the Firebird were a stick and the Camaro an auto, it would still show the Firebird its tail lights! Speaking of V6, well, Ford has just done a 500 hp V6 Stang that got 37 mpg driving from Kansas to Detroit, like Bob Dylan sang, "the times, they are a changin'" (they've been changed for years now, we're in the modern "good ol' days" right now and I love it!)
 
BobbyG said:
Today's Camaro possess a lot of its styling and looks from its 1969 predecessor. Now, a fully restored 1969 Camaro SS can run into some very big dollars but there are alternatives.

There are several companies that offer kit cars and for the most part much better than the ones produced in 1969 just due to technology.

As an example: Camaro Parts | 1969 | 1969 CAMARO COUPE UNIBODY WITH FIREWALL CUTOUTS FOR HEATER ONLY | Classic Industries

It's really depends on your goal and what you ultimately want to spend but the two will meet I can guarantee you that....:props:
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You would be much better finding a solid body and building it how you want. If you dont know how to do the work yourself it is probably alot cheaper to buy one already done as people rarely ever get what they have in them back. This is especially true for non original style cars. These repop bodys are notorious for needing hundreds of hrs to get gaps, lines, and other parts of the body right. If you get all of that right you still have a untagged kit car that will sell less then a real 69. For that price you can find a decent car to work with that already has title.

To the OP.
I have a newer sports car as well as a 67 Chevelle SS that I show and take to cruises. I would take the Chevelle over the other everyday of the week. If you plan on going to shows and cruises, the older muscle I think would give you much more satisfaction. There are some big shows that have 30 year and under 72 rules as well. The car you linked looks nice. I would say to be cautious buying any older cars from dealers though. I have read to many horror stories of people buying what looks like a nice car just for a ton of rust to be hidden and come through later down the road. If I was you I would get on some auto specific message boards. I know there is teamcamaro.com that could help you out with firebirds if thats what you are after. They have a "whats it worth section" just for people to post cars they have found. These people can give you what they believe is a better guess on what the car you are looking at is worth. If you decide to go with a classic, take your time and get the best for your money. Be cautious with the body and rust issues. Muscle cars are known for rust and what may look good at first could cost tens of thousands of dollars to properly restore in the future. Good Luck!!
 
I'm a sucker for the classics, but like I mentioned. I would want to restore and build my own and make it mine.

LOL@these folks arguing about time slips and all that. If guy1 wants to brag about his 650HP car with "NOS" then let him. If he built it and loves it that's all that matters. Can it really beat every car on the road? Heck no, but to him it can.

Heck, while I'm at it I will dog on myself...Can my Jeep race at next years King of the Hammers? Not in a million years! But I still go to the park at least once a month and think I'm out there with the big boys. Any besides who needs a big block and 600+HP driving from streetlight to streetlight. I can drive on top of and over the speedy little things and around the traffic!

sorry for the Highjack
 
Klasse Act said:
So it makes 650 hp w/ NOS......is this whp or engine hp? Would you happen to have some stats on the engine/trans/rearend for me/us? Actual time slips are also very handy too, along with honesty (not saying your not but the drag strip is VERY humbling, trust me, I've seen surprising things happen down the 1320!)


This is RWHP done on a Dyno really there is no other way to tune a car properly. The motor is a 355 small block chev with a steel crank, Eagle Rods and CP Pistons. It has a full Mechanical roller cam in the it. It is a Comp Cams with a duration of 300/308 and lift of 575/575. the heads are trick flow aluminium heads with port work. The Blower is a Weiend 144 with a 1050 dominator Carb the NOS system is a 175 HP super power shot system.

The Tranny is a Turbo 350 warmed over with a stage 2 shift kit and tranny break. I run a TCI 4500 stall converter. The rear end is a Ford 9 inch with a Strange possi unit it as well as strange axles. the Gears are Richmond and I run a 3.55 gearing with a 26.5 inch Hoosier streat tire.

The car weighs 2450 with me in it and 60 foots at 1.55. This all happens at 2200 ft.

Hope this clears up what you where asking about the car. I also have a second centre section for the rear end so I can drive this hot rod to shows as far away as I want. As the real fun comes from cruising these old beauty's not looking at them in a garage. :hotrod2::caflag:
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^^^ Nice combo for sure but not sure about 9 second quarter miles with a 3.55 ratio and a 355 cubed s/b though, even though its a short tire and you've got a hella of a stall, bet that thing rips out of the hole (with cheater slicks on the street) Now, food for thought for you. My ex-boss bought my old street car (78' Caprice Classic 2 door) and when he got it from me it was a low 12 second car ( I made a 12.38 @110 mph pass in it) and this thing had:

-406 s/b
-Dart heads (iron)
-Perf RPM
-1 5/8" headers
-780 Holley
-Ultradyne hyd cam (507/531 lift-296/304 dur @.050)
-4.88 rear end
-4000 stall

When he "went through it", well, let's say he threw some credit cards at it and it went 9.93 @138 mph and it layed down at the 1000 foot mark due to it running out of NOS (150 shot at the time) He had $6k in the heads alone, DFI, etc. Point being, heavy car doing high 9's. He ended up dialing it in though, got down to 9.3's. Its been a while since I've been around all the drag racing stuff but IMO your car wouldn't run into the 9's with that combo, I just can't see it but if you go to the track and honestly post up your slip, I'd love to see it.
 
In my opinion I would go with the 2013 mustang v6 with the california add on package. Tuxedo black paint and black rim setup looks awesome. It is also good on gas at 31 mpg
 
Bill1234 said:
In my opinion I would go with the 2013 mustang v6 with the california add on package. Tuxedo black paint and black rim setup looks awesome. It is also good on gas at 31 mpg
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I couldn't agree with you more, those matte black stripes on black look stunning and the wheels, from the factory.....GAME OVER! Love the Mustang over the Camaro and even though its the topic, I agree and this is coming from a born and raised GM guy (Dad worked for GM for 35 years, its in my blood!) The Mustang over the next couple years is going to be even better, the SVO is supposed to come back (EcoBoost 4), maybe a blown V6 and God only knows how much further the V8 can go, its already packing SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY HORSEPOWER....from the factory!!!

I heard the Camaro is supposed to shrink, we can only hope....get the Challenger on a diet too while your at it!
 
I had a 68 Camaro ,327, 300 hp and I now have a 2011. As a daily driver there is no comparison. The new car is far more comfortable, reliable, quieter, quicker, lighter, and drives like a dream. It drives at 30mph like it drives at 110...you think your in a Buick. If you are just looking at value in terms of the car appreciating in value then the classic is the way to go.
 
Klasse Act said:
^^^ Nice combo for sure but not sure about 9 second quarter miles with a 3.55 ratio and a 355 cubed s/b though, even though its a short tire and you've got a hella of a stall, bet that thing rips out of the hole (with cheater slicks on the street) Now, food for thought for you. My ex-boss bought my old street car (78' Caprice Classic 2 door) and when he got it from me it was a low 12 second car ( I made a 12.38 @110 mph pass in it) and this thing had:

-406 s/b
-Dart heads (iron)
-Perf RPM
-1 5/8" headers
-780 Holley
-Ultradyne hyd cam (507/531 lift-296/304 dur @.050)
-4.88 rear end
-4000 stall

When he "went through it", well, let's say he threw some credit cards at it and it went 9.93 @138 mph and it layed down at the 1000 foot mark due to it running out of NOS (150 shot at the time) He had $6k in the heads alone, DFI, etc. Point being, heavy car doing high 9's. He ended up dialing it in though, got down to 9.3's. Its been a while since I've been around all the drag racing stuff but IMO your car wouldn't run into the 9's with that combo, I just can't see it but if you go to the track and honestly post up your slip, I'd love to see it.
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Comparing a naturally aspirated 406 (that's a 400 bored 30 over for those that don't know)with steel heads and hydraulic cam running a holly 780 in a 3600 pound car (This is the kind of motor you see in a grain truck :poke:.) To a BLOWN car that is 2400 Lbs running a huge roller cam a carb that you could water your lawn through. Not mention 2 stage MSD ignition and 2 inch Sanderson headers with 3 inch exhaust and Kall tracks holding in the read suspension. You have got to be kidding. Do a little DD and learn something before you post. This is my last post on this topic. I did not write my original post to argue with anyone or have to prove myself. :nomore:

perhaps go here and punch in 2450 LBS and 650 HP and see what you get.

ET Calculator
 
BrightonRT said:
Last point: Buy it. AND DRIVE IT! I don't get total garage queens. I don't want mine exposed to the elements so it lasts. I have a rule, if it's over 20% chance of rain it stays in the garage, otherwise, it gets driven.

Like a wise men once said:

"Find what you like and use it often :props:"
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Couldn't agree more.


okleyguy said:
and 2 inch Sanderson headers with 3 inch exhaust and
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Hate to take Mike's thread off but since you mentioned them... how do you like the Sanderson Headers as compared to all the normal types of headers like Hedman, etc.


:)
 
Gotta love "virtual drag racing", it used to be called "bench racing" but I guess going down the 1320 and picking up your time slip has gone out of style, must be the high price of gas or maybe the drag strips are too expensive nowadays, so the ET calculator is the way to go.

OP, let us know what you end up getting, including some pics!
 
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