New P&S Absolute
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Me too. Sounds like all hype to me. They copied ONR as much as they possibly could in that it encapsulates and drops dirt to the bottom. What a joke. The girl couldn't even specify when asked what makes it unique. She regurgitated the usual. I also don't care if it's used to detail Air Force One. LOL
chilly
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Better watch what you say, the Detail Mafia will send over some ruffians to clutter up your detailing products and short sheet your folded drying towels
Those guys play rough
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This product is similar to Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine 128 oz. for a good reference point.
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**Does mental inventory**
**Digs toe in ground**
*Quietly* Actually it'd be the 9th. :help:
But I got one of them free!
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So as I have been burning up legal pads making product lists and adding stuff and scratching through stuff I have somehow resisted adding any rinseless wash to my core must have list
I am not sure why because ONR was part of my stash for almost 20 years
There must be a reason I am waffling on adding it in but I am not sure what it is
I didn't even get a chance to really do anything with the Feynlab rinseless I bought in Hawaii other than mix up a sprayer full of really strong stuff for stripping road film
I never used it before selling all my stuff
Since I am not going to have an indoor wash facility this winter I am really not seeing a need for any rinseless wash beyond using it as an interior detailer but I got that covered with more focused products
IDK...
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Amazon ....
KBsToy
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Rag company's video more info then his.
I have really liked all P&S products I’ve tried, so may give this a run even though I have two gallons of ONR on hand. I don’t think this will be game changing, but I’m all for competition of products if for nothing else to keep innovation going. I’ve learned to ignore a lot of the rag company hype train for products as well. So for me the trust comes with the P&S side. And honestly over the years I’ve gotten very quick replies to any question I’ve had from Bob Phillips (P&S), and the answer has not always been to buy their products. So honest input.
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Dane attempts Mixology; Accidentally becomes a detailing product chemist... - YouTube
TRC going all out here. :laughing:
TRC going all out here. :laughing:
Last thing I need is another rinseless, but im excited!
For me, smell is probably the most important factor.
Something like Sublime, which is a pretty good product, but doesn't have a very attractive smell to me, just won't get used.
So I hope the smell is pretty neutral, but enjoyable.
Current stash of rinseless/waterless:
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"totally different technology" than ONR
MisterSnoop
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Yeah, we'll see. I'm not gonna base my decision on how old the technology is.
chilly
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I just watched the P&S video as well as the one linked and all the hyperbole aside, I think I would like to try this
I certainly wouldn’t use a sponge or any other single piece of wash media, I would use a stack of plush towels or mitts and never put one back in the bucket but that’s just my hang up
I am certainly going to follow this thread and see what kind of results you guys get
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I certainly wouldn’t use a sponge or any other single piece of wash media, I would use a stack of plush towels or mitts and never put one back in the bucket but that’s just my hang up
I am certainly going to follow this thread and see what kind of results you guys get
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From TRC:
"There’s a lot of “passionate” comments and opinions about the product, so let us clear up a few things!
1. We will still continue to distribute optimum products (including ONR).
2. We think McKees 37 makes great products, but we could never fall in love with N914 like others do. We could have easily carried that product to “make money,” but we didn’t enjoy using it.
3. Not all rinseless washes are created equal. Some are polymer based, others are made with detergents similar to normal soap, and some are diluted quick detailers. We prefer polymer based Rinseless (with there only being a few on the market).
4. What makes absolute different? Absolute is a completely different chemistry than the other options. This was created using Dave Phillips Organic Chemistry background. Absolute is the slickest and softest feeling rinseless we’ve used. Of course it needed to check the marks of other rinseless offerings, because why shouldn’t it? Absolute excels in water softening, slickness, and overall “finish” in comparison to the other contenders.
5. Do we prefer ONR or Absolute? We will still continue to use both based on personal preference within our company. With that said, Absolute has won us over on exterior washes.
6. Does Absolute have a target on its back by people with predetermined opinions that haven’t tried it yet? “Absolute”ly. We knew this would happen, because you are a picky bunch.
7. Game changing? Of course. Absolute was literally created in 2022. The most recent rinseless created with modern chemicals as of the last year. Ingredients are constantly being developed and improved. Absolute reflects that. Hope all this helps!"
"There’s a lot of “passionate” comments and opinions about the product, so let us clear up a few things!
1. We will still continue to distribute optimum products (including ONR).
2. We think McKees 37 makes great products, but we could never fall in love with N914 like others do. We could have easily carried that product to “make money,” but we didn’t enjoy using it.
3. Not all rinseless washes are created equal. Some are polymer based, others are made with detergents similar to normal soap, and some are diluted quick detailers. We prefer polymer based Rinseless (with there only being a few on the market).
4. What makes absolute different? Absolute is a completely different chemistry than the other options. This was created using Dave Phillips Organic Chemistry background. Absolute is the slickest and softest feeling rinseless we’ve used. Of course it needed to check the marks of other rinseless offerings, because why shouldn’t it? Absolute excels in water softening, slickness, and overall “finish” in comparison to the other contenders.
5. Do we prefer ONR or Absolute? We will still continue to use both based on personal preference within our company. With that said, Absolute has won us over on exterior washes.
6. Does Absolute have a target on its back by people with predetermined opinions that haven’t tried it yet? “Absolute”ly. We knew this would happen, because you are a picky bunch.
7. Game changing? Of course. Absolute was literally created in 2022. The most recent rinseless created with modern chemicals as of the last year. Ingredients are constantly being developed and improved. Absolute reflects that. Hope all this helps!"
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"(since TRC doesn't like to bash other products directly) and based on my own side by side testing of ONR and N914...there are two main aspects of N914 where it comes up short.
1) N914 doesn't "soften" hard water as compared to ONR, Absolute or most other rinseless washes. "Softening" in this case refers to the ability of a rinseless product to prevent hard water minerals from going into the paint and causing hard water spots. I have very hard water and have experienced this first hand. If N914 is allowed to dry on the surface (especially in the sun) and not fully wiped away, it can leave hard water spots. While that can certainly be adjusted for in your wash process (just treat it like a soap and don't let it dry, or only use distilled/DI water)...it isn't ideal. It also makes it so that you need to be much more vigilant for any drips from mirrors or behind trim.
2) N914 holds dirt in solution and doesn't push it to the bottom of the bucket. I've tested this many times, on different vehicles with different types and levels of dirt. Split it down the middle and wash one side with ONR, the other with N914. Use the exact same process on both sides...apply presoak with a pressure sprayer, use the same wash media, and dry with the same towel (and drying aid if desired). The N914 bucket always looks substantially dirtier, both during the wash process and after 24+ hours of letting the bucket sit undisturbed. Some have argued that this means that N914 is removing more dirt from the surface and releasing it from the wash media better. In my experience, I have found that ONR actively pushes dirt to the bottom of the bucket, below the grit guard. Even after 24 hours, the N914 bucket looks much dirtier because it is holding dirt in suspension while the ONR looks practically unused. Same vehicle, same type and amount of dirt. I've even gone to the point of pumping out the buckets with a transfer pump in order to not disturb the dirt at the bottom of the bucket. The ONR side consistently has more dirt (fine sand, silt and clay) at the bottom of the bucket, while the N914 bucket only has mostly larger grains of sand because all of the finer material went out with the solution. Again, not a deal breaker but it requires a process adjustment where you need to treat N914 more like a soap by doing either a two bucket method or multiple towel method so that your wash solution stays cleaner.
I've worked in the civil engineering and construction field for 17 years, and i deal a lot with soil testing and gradations. I'm tempted to do a controlled test with the same type and amount of "dirt" dumped into buckets of N914 and ONR/Absolute (and distilled water for control). Pump out the buckets and filter the liquid to the smallest sieve size, and then clean out the bottoms of the buckets and keep them in a separate sample to be dried and tested to determine how much material was held in solution of each liquid.
At the end of the day...if you like N914 and it works for you, that is great and you should keep using it. But don't presume that everyone else should agree with you and expect that TRC should sell your preferred product."
1) N914 doesn't "soften" hard water as compared to ONR, Absolute or most other rinseless washes. "Softening" in this case refers to the ability of a rinseless product to prevent hard water minerals from going into the paint and causing hard water spots. I have very hard water and have experienced this first hand. If N914 is allowed to dry on the surface (especially in the sun) and not fully wiped away, it can leave hard water spots. While that can certainly be adjusted for in your wash process (just treat it like a soap and don't let it dry, or only use distilled/DI water)...it isn't ideal. It also makes it so that you need to be much more vigilant for any drips from mirrors or behind trim.
2) N914 holds dirt in solution and doesn't push it to the bottom of the bucket. I've tested this many times, on different vehicles with different types and levels of dirt. Split it down the middle and wash one side with ONR, the other with N914. Use the exact same process on both sides...apply presoak with a pressure sprayer, use the same wash media, and dry with the same towel (and drying aid if desired). The N914 bucket always looks substantially dirtier, both during the wash process and after 24+ hours of letting the bucket sit undisturbed. Some have argued that this means that N914 is removing more dirt from the surface and releasing it from the wash media better. In my experience, I have found that ONR actively pushes dirt to the bottom of the bucket, below the grit guard. Even after 24 hours, the N914 bucket looks much dirtier because it is holding dirt in suspension while the ONR looks practically unused. Same vehicle, same type and amount of dirt. I've even gone to the point of pumping out the buckets with a transfer pump in order to not disturb the dirt at the bottom of the bucket. The ONR side consistently has more dirt (fine sand, silt and clay) at the bottom of the bucket, while the N914 bucket only has mostly larger grains of sand because all of the finer material went out with the solution. Again, not a deal breaker but it requires a process adjustment where you need to treat N914 more like a soap by doing either a two bucket method or multiple towel method so that your wash solution stays cleaner.
I've worked in the civil engineering and construction field for 17 years, and i deal a lot with soil testing and gradations. I'm tempted to do a controlled test with the same type and amount of "dirt" dumped into buckets of N914 and ONR/Absolute (and distilled water for control). Pump out the buckets and filter the liquid to the smallest sieve size, and then clean out the bottoms of the buckets and keep them in a separate sample to be dried and tested to determine how much material was held in solution of each liquid.
At the end of the day...if you like N914 and it works for you, that is great and you should keep using it. But don't presume that everyone else should agree with you and expect that TRC should sell your preferred product."