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HandzFTW said:
Carnauba has natural cleaning capabilities. Carnuaba wax has natural oils inside the wax. This goes for both creme and paste wax. Carnuaba can gently cleanse the paint and remove things like light tar and sticky stuff that gets on paintwork. Natural Carnauba wax can even remove oxidation from metalwork. Take an old penny and use Carnauba to shine it up and it was look brand new.

CG Even made a video using a pure carnauba wax to remove spray paint. The wax had no abrasives, but removed the spray paint because of the natural cleaning properties of carnauba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5tJb_S-A6g
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^^^E-Greg-ious^^^

TO WIT:

"...you give me most egregious indignity". ~William Shakespeare, All's Well That Ends Well, Act 2, Scene 2.

Note:
No offense intended...
But I would rather rely on this Specialist's following thread:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...erence-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Finishing Waxes
A product that offers no cleaning ability with the focus on maximizing beauty with the protection based upon naturally occurring ingredients.
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Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
^^^E-Greg-ious^^^

TO WIT:

"...you give me most egregious indignity". ~William Shakespeare, All's Well That Ends Well, Act 2, Scene 2.

Note:
No offense intended...
But I would rather rely on this Specialist's following thread:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...erence-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html




Bob
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I understand what you are saying.... there are differences between cleaner waxes, AIO waxes, finishing waxes, ect..... But what you must understand is that all carnauba wax has natural cleaning capabilities.... even the most refined finishing wax.

To test my ideology, take a finishing wax and rub it vigorously on an old penny or old door key that is brass or copper. The wax will shine it up like brand new.
 
HandzFTW said:
I understand what you are saying.... there are differences between cleaner waxes, AIO waxes, finishing waxes, ect..... But what you must understand is that all carnauba wax has natural cleaning capabilities.... even the most refined finishing wax.

To test my ideology, take a finishing wax and rub it vigorously on an old penny or old door key that is brass or copper. The wax will shine it up like brand new.
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Thanks Greg!

Keep the videos coming....
 
HandzFTW said:
I understand what you are saying.... there are differences between cleaner waxes, AIO waxes, finishing waxes, ect..... But what you must understand is that all carnauba wax has natural cleaning capabilities.... even the most refined finishing wax.

To test my ideology, take a finishing wax and rub it vigorously on an old penny or old door key that is brass or copper. The wax will shine it up like brand new.
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•I believe I understand your ideology.
So, with that in mind:

-Does this mean that there, then, would be no need for all of these "pre-wax cleaners", "paint cleaners", and their ilk...along with no need for all of their accompanying "hype"?

•My ideology would include that:
-For car-care products manufacturers/formulators/resellers to admit to this, would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

-I'm sure there are other "all-natural substances" that will have some kind of cleaning-abilities...if they were to be rubbed vigorously and long enough...on brass, copper---even other similar metals/alloys.

-I also understand you're a: Chemical Guys kind of guy. :)


Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
•I believe I understand your ideology.
So, with that in mind:

-Does this mean that there, then, would be no need for all of these "pre-wax cleaners", "paint cleaners", and their ilk...along with no need for all of their accompanying "hype"?

•My ideology would include that:
-For car-care products manufacturers/formulators/resellers to admit to this, would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

-I'm sure there are other "all-natural substances" that will have some kind of cleaning-abilities...if they were to be rubbed vigorously and long enough...on brass, copper---even other similar metals/alloys.

-I also understand you're a: Chemical Guys kind of guy. :)


Bob
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Bob,

He is just saying that it has natural cleaning abilities, not that it eliminates any other products or does the job of cleaner waxes.
 
Hella JDM said:
Bob,

He is just saying that it has natural cleaning abilities, not that it eliminates any other products or does the job of cleaner waxes.
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This is just your interpretation of a certain:
stated-Ideology...Correct?

Bob
 
I just read what he said, it is pretty simple to me what he is saying....
 
First of all, of all natural carnauba cleaned, that would be a big waste of money to apply a glaze before then, as it would surely clean the oils and fillers when it's capable of cleaning copper and metal...
Second, I don't think it's the nuba that cleans, but looking at the video, it's a very liquid was and it's was on - wax off... so it mist be loaded with solvents. So it will probably be the solvents that have a cleaning effect here, or the pertol in them...
If it were to be the nuba, please take a block of nuba, heat it and try running it and cleaning stuff... i wish you the best of luck on this matter...

And like Bob said, how can a colorwax do any enhancement on a clearcoat? It is impossible that the wax goes through the CC into the BC... so it can only enhance SS paint.
But if you apply a coating like SS6 before it, how on earth could it do anything to the paint? If must enhance the coating then...
Only explanation is that is contains white pigment then. So let's try it on a black car...
 
2shiny said:
First of all, of all natural carnauba cleaned, that would be a big waste of money to apply a glaze before then, as it would surely clean the oils and fillers when it's capable of cleaning copper and metal...
Second, I don't think it's the nuba that cleans, but looking at the video, it's a very liquid was and it's was on - wax off... so it mist be loaded with solvents. So it will probably be the solvents that have a cleaning effect here, or the pertol in them...
If it were to be the nuba, please take a block of nuba, heat it and try running it and cleaning stuff... i wish you the best of luck on this matter...

And like Bob said, how can a colorwax do any enhancement on a clearcoat? It is impossible that the wax goes through the CC into the BC... so it can only enhance SS paint.
But if you apply a coating like SS6 before it, how on earth could it do anything to the paint? If must enhance the coating then...
Only explanation is that is contains white pigment then. So let's try it on a black car...
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Butter Wet Wax has ZERO solvents. Its Pure carnauba wax. It's the natural carnauba that is cleaning the surface away. Carnauba has natural oils that are derived from nature. It's these oils that break down the spray paint.

There are many misconceptions that are passed around on "forums". What you are stating is a misconception. Take any natural carnauba wax (Paste, liquid, spray, ect) and it will remove the oxidation from metal. This is a fact, try it for yourself.
 
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That would be pure carnauba. How can it be so liquid then?
Not truing to break you down, just trying to understand to thefullest.

So if natural nuba removes oxidation from metal, then whats the point of metal cleaners?

Or are both metal cleaners and prewax cleaners pure marketting?
If these contain that good cleaners, how come these don't remove glazes and sealants? The layer of these is so little, it shouldn't be any problem removing these then...
 
HandzFTW said:
Butter Wet Wax has ZERO solvents. Its Pure carnauba wax. It's the natural carnauba that is cleaning the surface away. Carnauba has natural oils that are derived from nature. It's these oils that break down the spray paint.

There are many misconceptions that are passed around on "forums". What you are stating is a misconception. Take any natural carnauba wax (Paste, liquid, spray, ect) and it will remove the oxidation from metal. This is a fact, try it for yourself.
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While I appreciate the discussion on the a White Wax, I do not agree that Butter Wet Wax has no solvents in it per the MSDS:

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It contains between 5-10% mineral spirits - which is an organic solvent. It also contains isoparaffin which one could argue is a solvent or has solvent properties.

Not to mention aluminum silicate which also *may* give it AIO / paint cleaning properties.

It also contains siloxanes and silicones - which would technically mean it's not a "pure carnauba wax" - but a hybrid - as are most (all?) liquid waxes.

All waxes contain some solvents. Some are VOC, low VOC, or non VOC. Some can come from nature and some may be man made.

I'll agree with you when you say "there are many misconceptions passed around on forums"
 
Aluminum oxide could be an abrasive, but I know it also functions as a reflecting agent as well as a whitening agent in many products.
 
HandzFTW said:
Butter Wet Wax has ZERO solvents. Its Pure carnauba wax. It's the natural carnauba that is cleaning the surface away. Carnauba has natural oils that are derived from nature. It's these oils that break down the spray paint.

There are many misconceptions that are passed around on "forums". What you are stating is a misconception. Take any natural carnauba wax (Paste, liquid, spray, ect) and it will remove the oxidation from metal. This is a fact, try it for yourself.
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I guess we just uncovered one of the sources of those pesky Forum "misconceptions"....you
 
HandzFTW said:
Butter Wet Wax has ZERO solvents. Its Pure carnauba wax.

There are many misconceptions that are passed around on "forums".
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swanicyouth said:
While I appreciate the discussion on the a White Wax, I do not agree that Butter Wet Wax has no solvents in it

I'll agree with you when you say "there are many misconceptions passed around on forums"
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allenk4 said:
I guess we just uncovered one of the sources of those pesky Forum "misconceptions"....you
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Thanks guys!
"Misconceptions" is a most proper name! :props:

My thoughts, all during my "naming-process", were
running more towards a most improper direction.

Bob
 
Received mine today. Unfortunately I was also sideswiped in my new car so I won't be using it anytime soon.
 
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