NEW! System One!!!

TH0001 said:
If he did, then it was on very soft paint, and any finishing polish would have done the same exact thing on that paint.

The premise of System One is that it uses a NON diminishing abrasive. For this abrasive to be able to finish out nice on most paints, it has to be very fine and offer little cut, other wise (since it doesn't break down) you would get a lot of hazing, hologramming, etc...

So any "cutting" it does is a function of the pad, not the polish (which is like 106ff already broken down), since the polish cannot have much cut and finish nice (because the abrasives don't break down).

Again, I ask, what is the difference between this fine polish and any other fine polish that uses the pad for cut?
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I think you are making a lot of assumptions and drawing conclusions based on speculation ("it must have been soft paint" and "For this abrasive to be able to finish out nice on most paints, it has to be very fine and offer little cut").

Why can't it do what it claims to do? Why not try the polish and see for yourself? Or better yet, attend detail fest and prove the guy wrong in front of a crowd?

You said "any finishing polish would have done the same exact thing on that paint." Why not bring your favorite finishing polish to Detail Fest and remove 500 grit scratches with it in front of everyone to prove that SYSTEM ONE is just like any other polish?

Seems like there are a lot of people on this board (and others) saying that it works well. The only ones that are saying that it doesn't work well are people that haven't tried it.

Toto has wetsanded factory finishes (hard) and had no problems. Granted he didn't use 500 grit, but still, it wasn't soft paint and it worked.

I can understand being skeptical about a product, but to say it doesn't work without trying it doesn't seem fair, especially when there are reputable people saying that it does.
 
haha i love when people talk crap about it and haven't even used it
 
scottgt said:
haha i love when people talk crap about it and haven't even used it
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Would you compare that to people who have pics of a car on their website they haven't detailed?

Noone said it doesn't work, just that the idea behind it is no secret or revolutionary idea. I have plenty of wool pads, plenty of finishing pads and inbetween. I also have a plethora of polishes that can do what system one says it does, I am not going to buy something that I don't need to replace, that's all. In the future I wouldn't mind giving it a go, as I enjoy using trying out everything on the market, one thing that scared me away was the amount of product used on his Leno video to remove the sanding marks, if you need that much product for a 2x2 section it's not very economically intelligent for me to purchase.
 
Brian_Brice said:
Would you compare that to people who have pics of a car on their website they haven't detailed?

Noone said it doesn't work, just that the idea behind it is no secret or revolutionary idea. I have plenty of wool pads, plenty of finishing pads and inbetween. I also have a plethora of polishes that can do what system one says it does, I am not going to buy something that I don't need to replace, that's all. In the future I wouldn't mind giving it a go, as I enjoy using trying out everything on the market, one thing that scared me away was the amount of product used on his Leno video to remove the sanding marks, if you need that much product for a 2x2 section it's not very economically intelligent for me to purchase.
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seriously dude? Did i say i detailed the car? no ..is it on my exterior pictures page ...no...so dont lash out at me and be a little b**** and bring up something that doesnt even have to do with the subject
 
scottgt said:
seriously dude? Did i say i detailed the car? no ..is it on my exterior pictures page ...no...so dont lash out at me and be a little b**** and bring up something that doesnt even have to do with the subject
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Settle down guy, it's only a forum. Next time you throw a stone you should check for breakables.
 
dude seriously...your one guys that just has to sit here and bash on peoples ####...get a life dude...its f***** life ..chilll out...dont sit there on your computer and just bash people...dont comment on my stuff if your just gonna sit there and bash
 
but seriously..im done soo..i just plan on not not responding to your comments anymore...and please dont comment on anything elz i post up
 
GUYS/GALS .... Keep it civil and never take something personel !!
 
flaco said:
I think you are making a lot of assumptions and drawing conclusions based on speculation ("it must have been soft paint" and "For this abrasive to be able to finish out nice on most paints, it has to be very fine and offer little cut").

Why can't it do what it claims to do? Why not try the polish and see for yourself? Or better yet, attend detail fest and prove the guy wrong in front of a crowd?

You said "any finishing polish would have done the same exact thing on that paint." Why not bring your favorite finishing polish to Detail Fest and remove 500 grit scratches with it in front of everyone to prove that SYSTEM ONE is just like any other polish?

Seems like there are a lot of people on this board (and others) saying that it works well. The only ones that are saying that it doesn't work well are people that haven't tried it.

Toto has wetsanded factory finishes (hard) and had no problems. Granted he didn't use 500 grit, but still, it wasn't soft paint and it worked.

I can understand being skeptical about a product, but to say it doesn't work without trying it doesn't seem fair, especially when there are reputable people saying that it does.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, and I'm not saying it doesn't work at all. I'm only saying that to have a grit fine enough to finish out (with out breaking down) it must rely on the pad for the cut. There is nothing wrong with this at all, I prefer to match my product to my pad and let them work together in tandem vs. using a finishing polish with a cutting pad. If it works for you, then great, I personally see no reason for me to try it.

If you are able to cut paint using the same ultra fine abrasive used to finish paint, the what becomes the variable?
 
TH0001 said:
I agree with a lot of what you said, and I'm not saying it doesn't work at all. I'm only saying that to have a grit fine enough to finish out (with out breaking down) it must rely on the pad for the cut. There is nothing wrong with this at all, I prefer to match my product to my pad and let them work together in tandem vs. using a finishing polish with a cutting pad. If it works for you, then great, I personally see no reason for me to try it.

If you are able to cut paint using the same ultra fine abrasive used to finish paint, the what becomes the variable?
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ya man i understand what you are saying, if you have a product that you love and gives you great results ..then use it..and ive seen your results..so use what you have lol :cheers:
 
scottgt said:
seriously dude? Did i say i detailed the car? no ..is it on my exterior pictures page ...no...so dont lash out at me and be a little b**** and bring up something that doesnt even have to do with the subject
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I see you stuck on his first sentence, but purposely ignored the rest of the content, which is both logical and reasonable. I'm sure System One does what it says it does because I have used the following "finishing" polishes to cut, compound, polish, and finish (only by switching the pads)... *EDIT* I just read your post above this and appericate the compliments :D. Please don't ignore what Brian said because he can be a little "rough" with his delievery :D

3M Ultra Fina
Menzerna 106ff (and SIP)
Meguiars #80
Meguiars #82
Optimum Polish
Zaino Z-PC Fusion

So of course using a finishing polish with an aggresive pad will alter the cut and allow you to tweak the level of cut, which is all that System One is, a finishing polish.

My only reservations what some of the BS that the guy was talking about at the detailing expo, such as how diminishing abrasives are "not engineered" (his words) and "very dangerous" (his words) and remove "way too much paint" (his words, as he drew a picture showing these huge abrasives removing 90 percent of the clear coat on one pass).

Its great marketing and hype, but the reality is that there are many polishes that will do the same thing.

Does the ultra small and fine abrasives magically interact with the fibers of the pad to increase the cut above what a polish with similar fine abrasives would do? Of course not.
 
TH0001 said:
I see you stuck on his first sentence, but purposely ignored the rest of the content, which is both logical and reasonable. I'm sure System One does what it says it does because I have used the following "finishing" polishes to cut, compound, polish, and finish (only by switching the pads)... *EDIT* I just read your post above this and appericate the compliments :D. Please don't ignore what Brian said because he can be a little "rough" with his delievery :D

3M Ultra Fina
Menzerna 106ff (and SIP)
Meguiars #80
Meguiars #82
Optimum Polish
Zaino Z-PC Fusion

So of course using a finishing polish with an aggresive pad will alter the cut and allow you to tweak the level of cut, which is all that System One is, a finishing polish.

My only reservations what some of the BS that the guy was talking about at the detailing expo, such as how diminishing abrasives are "not engineered" (his words) and "very dangerous" (his words) and remove "way too much paint" (his words, as he drew a picture showing these huge abrasives removing 90 percent of the clear coat on one pass).

Its great marketing and hype, but the reality is that there are many polishes that will do the same thing.

Does the ultra small and fine abrasives magically interact with the fibers of the pad to increase the cut above what a polish with similar fine abrasives would do? Of course not.
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haha i understand...everything is all good now:righton:
 
"Its great marketing and hype, but the reality is that there are many polishes that will do the same thing."

Really? I don't know of any that do everything SYSTEM ONE claims to do.

Bring the polishes you listed to detail fest and show us how they all remove 500 grit scratches and leave a swirl-free finish, in direct sunlight, on black paint, with just two pads. Also take that same polish and use it on ceramic clear.

In fact, Meguiar's will be there, so ask Jason if he wouldn't mind taking out 500 grit scratches in the sun with 80 & 82 and then polishing someone's new black Jaguar in the sun with the same polish.
 
flaco said:
"Its great marketing and hype, but the reality is that there are many polishes that will do the same thing."

Really? I don't know of any that do everything SYSTEM ONE claims to do.

Bring the polishes you listed to detail fest and show us how they all remove 500 grit scratches and leave a swirl-free finish, in direct sunlight, on black paint, with just two pads. Also take that same polish and use it on ceramic clear.

In fact, Meguiar's will be there, so ask Jason if he wouldn't mind taking out 500 grit scratches in the sun with 80 & 82 and then polishing someone's new black Jaguar in the sun with the same polish.
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Are you the guy from system one?
 
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Okay people! All naysayers report to Detail Fest 2008 at Zero Five Hundred Hours for a private demo! I personally won't be there...

That is all....Parade Rest!
 
TH0001 said:
I still don't see how this system can be any different then using any quality final polish and varying the cut with pads?
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others said:
+1 etc etc etc
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Seriously, guys, does it matter in the big picture? Why we have a problem with this polish when we do not take same thing against other brands that do same thing? Because it does not have a fancy German name and it is custom that foreigners are always welcome while we throw bricks and stones on ones that come from same village as us?

So, once again, does it matter in the big picture? If one gets it, tries it, and likes it and likes it's price point does anythingh else matter?

Judge the polish, or anything else for that matter, based on are you happy with it and nothing else. If you are not happy with it fine, nobody is forcing you to be happy with it, you use what you are happy with, leave others to use what they are happy with.

In general I prefer being open minded. I don't make final say whether I feel something sucks for me or not until I try it. So to all that are looking for answers whether they will like it there is only one way to find that out for sure and it is very inexpensive: Get the sample, roll up the sleeves, and find what is your own answer. Like everything else in the world some might find they love it, some might find it is not for them. There is no such thing as a silver bullet.
 
TH0001 said:
The premise of System One is that it uses a NON diminishing abrasive. For this abrasive to be able to finish out nice on most paints, it has to be very fine and offer little cut, other wise (since it doesn't break down) you would get a lot of hazing, hologramming, etc...

... do the ultra fine, finishing abrasives define science and logic and magically become more abrasive, with altering size, sharpness, hardness, or structure?
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It is my understanding Meguiar's M105 Ultra Cut Compound uses non-diminishing abrasives. I guarantee to you that baby cuts like crazy while coming out almost LSP ready, no hazing, no hologramming, nuthin. You can find some really nice posts on it on MOL.

I encourage that you get a sample and give it a try even though it, in your logic and words above, defies physics. I have a strong feeling you will like it a lot even though it uses non-diminishing abrasives you seem to dislike.
 
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