NEW! System One!!!

rwisejr said:
I really like the new adapter. as far as the pads it would be nice to see a 6 inch version of that 2 sided wool and foam for some that prefer the smaller size
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i agree i would like to see a 6 inch pad also
 
ZoranC said:
For what?

For pointing out that it is good to see that you are changing your stance from putting down people to more constructive approach? Doesn't seem like a grounds for banning to me. Unless AGO bans people for not being ditto heads or crossing the path of "sacred cows" (and if it does are you the one?).

Pointing out you were not correct on what non-diminishing abrasives can achieve is not bannable offense either even if it might have made you feel like a fool after it. It was just statement of facts behavior of M105 proves your theoretizing wrong.
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No Zoran. Perhaps, because of the typing responses, instead of actually talking you misread every post I made? I never changed stances, and I never put anybody down. I stated (and still stand behind) that many finishing polishes will do the same thing (in terms of final result) of what System One will do. It is not a revolutionary concept to use the same polish for more than one step, though whether or not System One is any better then using similar finishing grade polishes, remains to be seen. Further more, it will never be proven one way or another because of personal preference.

So what point did I change? That not every product is the best? That similar polishes will do the same thing? When did I ever state that nobody should use this product (which, limited by your defintion and example, I must have to suddenly change my mind).

The fact that you allude to taking credit for me changing my mind (which never happened) by stating how satisfied you are only shows either my lack of communication on the internet or your lack of reading comprehension. Since I never attacked anybody or suggested anybody steer clear of the product (but rather game my personal reasons) we can assume that you it is not my lack of communication. To take this out of what I have previously typed, this information is invented.

Do I believe System One works.. Of course, because I have done the same thing with other polishes. Do I believe that it works better then polishes with diminishing abrasives? No I don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Also, where did I put people down?

Regarding M105, I have not seen it confirmed that the abrasives do not break down, but rather are ultra small in size. Because of the different definition that Meguiars' uses, and the fact that they have stated that they will not share secrets only makes speculation just that, speculation. Remember, Meguiars' also stated that NXT is their longest lasting wax and that it doesn't have cleaners.

To remove an aggresive abrasive off the paint (with out it breaking down), would you risk installing more marks into the paint?

I am curious, how does M105 work? Do you work it until the defects are gone, then wipe off? Does it break down, or is the work time infinitive? Do you just go and go and go with no degredation in performance until the defects are removed, or does the polish "clear up" and loss cut as its worked? 105 seems very interesting.

I hope I have clarified my stances on issues and clearer up the confusion you had on my position, so that there is nothing left for you to mis interpret and give yourself credit for.

Furthermore, please do not make assumptions how I have felt, regarding situations and outcomes you have fabricated.

Todd
 
Reading some posts in this thread is like trying to nail jello to a tree.

Zoran you are the ultimate in everything that is detailing, you now have doubled your followers in convincing me with your esteemed rhetoric and brilliant innovations.

System one rules:righton:
 
Brian_Brice said:
Reading some posts in this thread is like trying to nail jello to a tree.

Zoran you are the ultimate in everything that is detailing, you now have doubled your followers in convincing me with your esteemed rhetoric and brilliant innovations.

System one rules
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Meghan said:
Get On Topic
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Please see Meghan if you have any problems with her request.
 
If I see Meghan it will most likely be to polish her car with my partner complimentary for being such a thorough moderator.
 
Maybe you should reread your own posts on the subject/product/owner both here and Autopia. You will also notice I am not only one that felt you are doing so.
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I did re read them, but suggesting I do so is easier then re reading them yourself and realizing that I never put any user down for using any product and I simply stated that I believe other polishes do the same type of work. From there I only defended my position in an open discussion. I simply did not bash anybody, unless going against the grain consitutes bashing. Again, I urge you to reread my posts, since I already know what I typed.

Please point where exactly I am stating you changed your approach because of me. All I stated is that I am happy to see that you have changed it.
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You never did, which I already stated. I used the word "allude." By saying that you are satisfied with the my new direction implys that you have a vested interest (previously) in the outcome of something. I wanted to clear up any confusion that your wording may have suggested.

Lack of more than just surface effort on your behalf is what opened that door for your speculation. Mike Pennington was very clear in his post on MOL (you can find it easily if you bother to search) that M105 does not use diminishing abrasives. Heck, you don't even need to search for it, I have clearly quoted it in that same thread you started.
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See, once again you look ignorant by stating that (if I bother to search) when I have already addressed this issue. To adress it, I most have found it, and logic dictates that I search for it. You try to have a very demeaning manor on some forums (your attitude changes forum to forum) like you are above people, but your lack of comprehension and faliure to draw simple conclusions doesn't do your demeanor justice.

I agree that Mike was fairly clear in his statement (similar to the statement that NXT is the longest lasting or that it is not (the it is, the its back to isn't) a cleaner wax.

However, here is where the irony becomes even thicker, and a point you obviously failed to see. You have stated, and others have experienced, that M105 finishing close to finishing. However, Meguiars' states that it does not do so, and is not meant to be a finishing polish. Which is it? Do you trust your own eyes or Meguiars?

It seems you choose your belief basis on which ever opition supports your view points.

I have a minor background in science, and also have spoken to various compound forumlators. Combined with my experience using various polishes and my rudimentary understanding of the basic sciences and applications of abrasive structures lends me to ask other questions. When I am in a discussion, it is to learn. That is why I am certain I never put any forum members, but I openly questioned the way the polish works, and stated some of the scientific reasons that it shouldn't.

Now given that my understanding is rudimentary at best, I asked if anybody could expalin how a polish with a limited abrasive cut (given the limiation of being fine enough to finish out marring free on paint) would work differently then an other finishing polish. However, after a little discussion, both sides disolved, which is why I have withdrawn from that particular discussion and wanted to clarify my points.


So if it does not use diminishing abrasives, like he says, and he clearly states it, what abrasives does it use then, what abrasives does that leave you with? D'oh.
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First, you show your immaturity in having a civil debate with your attitude, but only prove it with little comments like, d'oh. I'm not sure of the abrasive structure of the product, but science and experience would lead me to believe that some type of degredation of the structure has to occur. Otherwise, the act of wiping off the meduim that you just used to remove 1200 grit sanding marks would reinstill marring into the paint. Given that the abrasive structures did not break down.

How you can then still say there is a door left for speculation? It is open only because you did not do your own homework, you even did not read all posts in your own thread, or at least you did not pay attention to them and are hearing what you want to hear not what was said.
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Once again you assume what I did with no idea how wrong you are. This is getting to be a pattern with you (and judging from other posts I have read of yours, it is something you are used to). By the simple logic you choose to use, Zaino is a polish, Ultima blows it out of the water, OSW lasts more than a month, etc.... You are carefully choosing when you pick to trust a manufacturer...

The reason the speculation is there is because I would like to learn more about this process so it can statisfy my need to learn. It is the reason I asked simple questions which where ignored.



Please see manufacturer's support, they are the best people to answer your questions on their product. Hopefully yPlou will do homework more diligently and pay more attention next time you try to get answers.
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Once again chaging your stance on manufacture claims. Remember they also will tell you that 105 doesn't finish nice...

Then care to clarify where your 'banning' comment came from? If it does not stand scrutiny of facts and it is not feelings either what prompted you to make it? Your attitude, personal animosity, desire to make personal attack, what?
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It came from the fact that being banned from forums is something you have experienced. Past this, I have nothing to offer that is on topic. I'm sure you will respond with out answering or discussing any of the subjects I have covered, but if you would like to speak further, take it to PM's or call me.
 
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Stop the crap, have a PM war if you like the rest of us don't care. Get back on topic or leave!
 
justin30513 said:
Now I see how much of an idiot I looked like when I did this.
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I agree and feel stupid for keep letting myself get played and drawn into this. Let me apologize to the forum for taking this thread off topic by my need to defend my position. I look forward to trying the product eventually and seeing the difference, if there is one. :cheers:
 
I had to check to see if I accidently logged on to Autopia:(
 
justin30513 said:
Now I see how much of an idiot I looked like when I did this.
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I've been there and it's harder to see when you're doing it...but it doesn't look good for either party, regardless of who's right.

I find myself not even reading 'those' posts anymore...just hopping to the ones that are on-topic.
 
TH0001 said:
You have stated, and others have experienced, that M105 finishing close to finishing. However, Meguiars' states that it does not do so, and is not meant to be a finishing polish. Which is it? Do you trust your own eyes or Meguiars?
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There is your answer.

First, I and others have used it and experienced same, you have not used it. Therefore I do trust my own eyes and people that I know can be trusted (which I will not name in order to avoid any potential for even smallest headaches as I am, as you could see, under NDA). There is a huge difference between theorizing how it looks like being with the girl and actual experience.

Second, as you say yourself, others that have actually used it experienced same and reported same. Enough said.

Third, there is a huge difference between "finishes almost LSP ready" and "it is a finishing polish". Please notice the difference.

Therefore I reiterate my suggestion that you first give it a try and then you can tell us are you finding is your theory on non-diminishing abrasives is still correct or not. Until then it is just a theory as you haven't tried a single polish with non-diminishing abrasives yet, at least not ones we are discussing.

That is only one phone call or few clicks away and by the time you have written up all the reasons why you think it can not do it you could have already gotten proof in the pudding whether it can or can not. Doesn't take a degree in science nor talking to formulators for that. Anybody can do it, starting with me. I don't have experience of others, I don't have minor degree in science (as I have major one), but very rarely I dismiss something before trying it first. So I know for sure from hands on experience you are not correct instead of theorizing why you might be correct.

TH0001 said:
It came from the fact that being banned from forums is something you have experienced. Past this, I have nothing to offer that is on topic.
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So? Since when not being banned somewhere is a "seal of quality" and since when being banned is proof of anything? I am sure we could name quite a number of people that are quite up there in detailing world yet are banned on Autopia. Paul Dalton is banned on DetailingWorld, I am not. What that says/implies that is relevant to subject of detailing / polishes / paint correction? Absolutely nothing. Unless modus of operation is "I ended up proven wrong, let's shift the focus away from this by using character attack".

Whatever. If past this you have nothing to offer, like you say you don't, then you should stop offering nothing and stay on the topic.
 
Maybe it's time to start an M105 thread?

BTW, if M105 finishes ready for wax, you can say bye-bye to the rest of their polishes. They wouldn't be needed, right?

So, I doubt they would admit it actually finishes ready for wax even if it does, because it would be marketing suicide.
 
flaco said:
Maybe it's time to start an M105 thread?
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M105 was not brought up for a sake of M105. M105 was brought up as an example for a point on non-diminishing abrasives, as System One uses non-diminishing abrasives that were so eloquently attempted to be presented as not of value.

If anything should have been started that would have been a new thread on technical questions about System One instead of attempting to put it down in AG's introductory thread on new vendor/product because, among other reasons, some of us did not like owner / presentation he made and (to paraphrase their own words) they would never purchase a product from such company.

That was IMHO very unprofessional and disrespectfull toward AG/AGO and vendor.

flaco said:
BTW, if M105 finishes ready for wax ...
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Please notice nobody said "M105 finishes LSP ready". Statement was "almost LSP ready". In other words follow up with other polishes (at least finishing polish) is recommended, but do you want to do that or not is your call, as it always is no matter what you are doing.
 
ZoranC said:
Please see Meghan if you have any problems with her request.
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Great idea, please see me if you have any problems OTHERWISE this is a SYSTEM ONE thread. All others take to PM or get yourself another thread.
This is a car care forum, keep that in mind please! I don't ask much from all of you, but I am asking you to PLEASE keep this on topic.
 
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