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Looks like you have been doing some research! I did not do all the math but you might get more for your money if you buy the spot buff kit instead of the 4" pads and backing plate. Just an idea. Only thing is you do not get the yellow cutting pads, but unless you paint is really bad the orange should have enough cut.
 
Meghan said:
Looks like you have been doing some research! I did not do all the math but you might get more for your money if you buy the spot buff kit instead of the 4" pads and backing plate. Just an idea. Only thing is you do not get the yellow cutting pads, but unless you paint is really bad the orange should have enough cut.
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Thanks for replying!

You bring up an interesting question I have with cutting power. I would like to get more into the science than the art of detailing at the moment

Hopefully you all can follow my crazy logic:

In general, I would like to know if there is a general measure to the cutting powers of both the pad you use and the swirl remover you use in terms of multipliers

Take for instance XMT SR #2 and #3, OR something else, just as long as the two products are the same brand where one is a step more/less aggressive than the first

Also, assume that both a CCS Orange and CCS White pad
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If you use XMT SR #3 with a white pad, would it be more or less aggressive than if you were to use XMT SR#2 with an orange pad?

OR

Would XMT # 2 and # 3 be similar in cutting power when #3 is used on a Finishing pad (pad having no cut) and #2 applied to a CCS Yellow/Lambswool pad
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So..if XMT #2 and #3 were applied to the SAME pad, how many more times the cutting power would the pad with #3 have?

This also applies to the pads if a CCS White and Orange pad were dressed with the SAMe product (say XMT #2)

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I understand that this is NOT a perfect science. I am also quite confident that IF multipliers could be associated with every CCS pad, the multiplier would not be consistent (the jump from white to orange being smaller than the jump from orange to yellow, etc...)

The same thing can probably be said with XMT's product line of SR's #1 through #4, including 360.

Knowing how much MORE cut a product and a pad has is definitely important to mastering the art of detailing

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I hope I made myself clear! This post will probably keep all of you busy for the morning :)


Feed back please




P.S. I will look into the spot buff kit, thanks Meghan!
 
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I would suggest swapping Intensive Polish for Super intensive. I got the IP with my first kit and wished I would have gotten the SIP. Doesn't seem like too many people rave about the IP. SIP and 4" orange pads with the PC would be better IMO.
 
not even IP with lambswool???

i just dont understand why it has to be double the price. it must be 'new'.

if im paying double the price, i better get double the cut!
 
Hold please, I need to reread that a few times and make notes before responding! :D
 
Ok I am no good with math by any means, but I get what you are saying, I think. Maybe not...
To break it down simple, you can you XMT #3 with a white, orange, and yellow pad. All giving you more cut as you step up the pad ladder, some prefer to use just one or two pads and use different cuts based on what desired results are needed.
As for giving you "times what number" that I cannot say. Detailing is in no means an exact science, its more trial and error.

Is that what you are asking??
And did I make any sense????:D
 
Meghan said:
Ok I am no good with math by any means, but I get what you are saying, I think. Maybe not...
To break it down simple, you can you XMT #3 with a white, orange, and yellow pad. All giving you more cut as you step up the pad ladder, some prefer to use just one or two pads and use different cuts based on what desired results are needed.
As for giving you "times what number" that I cannot say. Detailing is in no means an exact science, its more trial and error.

Is that what you are asking??
And did I make any sense????:D
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You made perfect sense :D

I guess another way I can ask the question with FAR LESS words is: Given XMT #2 and #3, at any point can we see an overlap in their cutting powers when swapping pads?
 
I would swap the yellow 4" pad for some purple foam wool pads. Do some searching on how to use the pads with the PC, they cut better then yellow and leave the paint in better shape. The yellow pads area great but for a noob they take more work after using to get the paint LSP ready. I would save the $20 and not get the XMT pad kit, use dawn power dissolve and water to clean and prime the pad with a spritz od a Quick detailer or distilled water. Use the $20 and get some more pads you can never have enough. Do you have a Quick detailer? A spray wax is good I really like Optimum Wax, love the finish and the ease of use. I apply a sealant and when it is time to buff off I spray the panel with OCW and buff off.
Before polishing you take the least aggressive combo and try a test panel. Use a finishing pad and lesser aggressive polish on your test area, if you need more power step up the product not the pad, still more step up the pad with the less aggressive polish.
 
sal329 said:
I would save the $20 and not get the XMT pad kit, use dawn power dissolve and water to clean and prime the pad with a spritz od a Quick detailer or distilled water.
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this was my next question. YES i do have Meguiars Ultimate Quik Detailer (i think thats the name, its in a black spray bottle and has a metallic label)

Thanks for saving me a thread or search :)
 
Meguiars UQD is a good one, I like to get the Pro Line version of M135 bc you can get it in the galon size.
 
RedDaemon said:
All of this adds up so quickly :(
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Yes but the nice thing is once you make the purchase you will be good for awhile. Pads last a long time as long as you clean them, and the polishes will last you even longer.
 
Meghan said:
Yes but the nice thing is once you make the purchase you will be good for awhile. Pads last a long time as long as you clean them, and the polishes will last you even longer.
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I expected the pads and product to have a long life. Its just that I have trouble parting with my money:D

I know however that it is a good investment, so long as it can be used for what I need it for. I might need to have a paintshop fix my major problems. Do I dare mention clearcoat failure? :(


i will be getting pictures this weekend for an assessment. you would think my car didnt have any problems. I wanted to hold off with the pictures but I couldnt help myself :D:

Problem Pictures to come this weekend!


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Stick with the 3.5" backing plate and separate pads. I've had quite a few of the 2 3/4" backing plates fly apart in pieces while polishing paint, and I generally only recommend using it with a drill or rotary. The vibrations of a DA seem to be too much for it to handle.
 
RedDaemon said:
not even IP with lambswool???

i just dont understand why it has to be double the price. it must be 'new'.

if im paying double the price, i better get double the cut!
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Can anyone comment on this as I am also interested....when reading the descriptions it almost seems like they're about the same product, obviously SIP is newer and if i understand correctly geared towards the ceramic clear coats like BMW/Benz....but when it comes to regular coats is SIP twice as good as regular IP? Looking at the Menzerna chart they both have the same cut and same gloss value...
 
pbateman said:
Can anyone comment on this as I am also interested....when reading the descriptions it almost seems like they're about the same product, obviously SIP is newer and if i understand correctly geared towards the ceramic clear coats like BMW/Benz....but when it comes to regular coats is SIP twice as good as regular IP? Looking at the Menzerna chart they both have the same cut and same gloss value...
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thanks for posting!
 
Through more research and from feedback, I have refined my selection:

-PC 7424
-Meguiars Mirror Glaze G110 DA Polisher 5 inch Backing Plate (almost positive this is compatible)
-5 1/2" CCS Orange
-5 1/2" CCS White
-5 1/2" CCS Gray
-5 1/2" CCS Red
-6" Lambswool Pad
-2 x 6" MF Bonnets (Orange)
-WDG Sealant 3.0
-Menz SIP PO83
-Menz PO85RD

My LSP I already have Mother's Gold Class (I like it, will try something else at a later time). I also do have some Mother's Clay already. Megs UQD is also part of my arsenal too. I have about 10 MF towels as Advance Auto had a sale on them a month ago.

I went with the 5.5 pads exclusively now since its a compromise of both the smaller pads and the 6.5" pads.
 
pbateman said:
Can anyone comment on this as I am also interested....when reading the descriptions it almost seems like they're about the same product, obviously SIP is newer and if i understand correctly geared towards the ceramic clear coats like BMW/Benz....but when it comes to regular coats is SIP twice as good as regular IP? Looking at the Menzerna chart they both have the same cut and same gloss value...
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Menzerna Super Intensive Polish and Nano Polish use more expensive abrasives that are designed to effectively remove paint defects and polish scratch-resistant ceramic clear coats. These products can also be used on traditional paints as well. If your paint is hard and you need something to cut fast, these products are ideal.
 
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