Newbie Wet Sander & Polisher - Mike Phillips, please help

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I tried to upload photos; I think I was successful. I am wet sanding my 1999 CRV. It was recently painted about 2 weeks ago. I bought the Griot's & the Meguiar's headlight repair kit to damp sand in small, tight areas. Everything has gone well; however, when I compare my pics to the pics on the forum, I am still seeing some texture in the paint in certain areas. Could that be just the way the light is hitting it. Do I need to keep sanding? My worry is sanding too far down. The main areas where I am having problems are side panels - front fender, doors, etc. Hood looks great. Once I'm done with the wet sanding, I'll jump to the 3000 grit. After that should I use a foam pad, or a wool pad. (I'm getting the FlexPE 14-2.)

Any help is appreciated. I have more photos if necessary.
 
Hi Bear,

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:

Sorry for the late reply, kind of on the road right now...

Here's your pictures, you "attached"' them, I downloaded them and then uploaded them into your gallery so they can be inserted instead of attached, this makes it easier for people to see them and then talk about them.

Here's the link to your gallery...

Bear Gallery - AutogeekOnline Gallery


Honda_CRV_001.jpg


Honda_CRV_002.jpg




I tried to upload photos; I think I was successful. I am wet sanding my 1999 CRV. It was recently painted about 2 weeks ago. I bought the Griot's & the Meguiar's headlight repair kit to damp sand in small, tight areas. Everything has gone well; however, when I compare my pics to the pics on the forum, I am still seeing some texture in the paint in certain areas. Could that be just the way the light is hitting it. Do I need to keep sanding?

You want to know where your comfort level is for the risk you're taking. The car was repainted, did you ask the painter to spray extra clear? Did you tell the painter you planned on wetsanding the paint?

My worry is sanding too far down.

That is the "worry".

Here's something I type all the time on this topic just for anyone reading that doesn't know a lot about wetsanding,

  • Wetsanding removes a little paint
  • Compounding removes a little paint
  • Polishing removes a little paint
So keep this in mind because each step is going to remove some level or measure of precious clear paint. If you go through, that is if you're sanding, compounding or polishing and go through the clear to the color coat, you'll experience what I call a sinking feeling in your heart as the full effect of what this means starts to really sink in.

If you have plenty of clear you should be okay though...


The main areas where I am having problems are side panels - front fender, doors, etc. Hood looks great.

Large panels, especially flat or only lightly curved are pretty easy, it's when you get into the complicated designs of a body style where the panel is thin and there are edges or raised body lines that it gets tricky and even complicated.

Once I'm done with the wet sanding, I'll jump to the 3000 grit.

After that should I use a foam pad, or a wool pad.

I like to do all my initial cutting with a wool cutting pad and a good compound. Wool pads generate less heat than foam cutting pads when using a rotary buffer and heat is your enemy.

I have a number of articles and videos on wetsanding, most important things to remember are,

Don't sand where you cannot buff, that is don't sand where you cannot fit a high speed rotating wool pad. If you do sand close to a body line, raised edge or tight are you can always remove your sanding marks by hand and then go back over the area by machine to remove any marks left by hand polishing.

As for seeing surface texture or "Orange Peel" AFTER sanding... if you want to get the paint 100% flat you need to sand till all the surface texture or orange peel is removed and the surface is as flat as a chalk board.

At the same time, balance how much you sand with you're comfort level for risk. This is where "planning" comes into play and you plan with your painter for them to spray extra paint.

:)
 
From the appearance of the sanding work done to the paint it's looking pretty good to me.

Honda_CRV_001.jpg


Honda_CRV_002.jpg




Seeing orange peel kick back in around an edge is the norm, just look at most show cars, you'll see flat paint where it's easy to sand and buff and as you get closer to edges, corners, body lines and raised body lines, the peel kicks back in.

It's possible to sand the paint flat all the way up to the edges or your tape lines, the tricky part is removing 100% of your sanding marks without making a "whoops".


Is this your "toy" or a daily driver?


:)
 
First, thanks for responding to my post. I really appreciate your help and feedback. My wife said I had a smile from ear to ear when I saw you had responded.

In response to your questions, I told the painter I would be wetsanding, and he added four coats of clear. This is our daily driver. I will upload a couple other photos as well. I'm going to upload from the front quarter panel. The texture you see is the texture that I was talking about. I've been watching your Thursday night show car garage show on wetsanding the red Mustang. I've taped off all the edges. You're right, the vinyl tape is a life-saver.

I have a video that I will try to upload as well, but not sure I can to Auto Geek.
 
I have Mequiar's 105, Medium-Cut Cleaner No. 1, Swirl Remover 2.0 No. 9, Professional Show Car Glaze No. 7, and Professional Hi-Tech Yellow Was No. 26.

Should I use all of these, or do you recommend anything in particular, and in what order?
 
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I have Mequiar's 105, Medium-Cut Cleaner No. 1, Swirl Remover 2.0 No. 9, Professional Show Car Glaze No. 7, and Professional Hi-Tech Yellow Was No. 26.

Should I use all of these, or do you recommend anything in particular, and in what order?


The M105 is good for removing the sanding marks, I'd recommend a wool cutting pad on a rotary buffer.

For follow up, get the twin to M105 the M205, this is a really good Fine Cut Polish that has a long buffing cycle, easy wipe off, no dusting and excellent results.

Then you can apply the M26...


I'll try to stay up with your thread and project but I'm out of town working on a special project.


http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/63202-offline-few-days.html


:)
 
Thank you for responding to my posts and questions. I know you are busy and I really appreciate your help on this project.

I am going to post progress pictures, if anyone wants to offer more comments or suggestions.
 
Post more pic and let us see the progress and final results. I might be better to get some pics closer to the car.
 
What I just uploaded was the front fender with 1500 Meguiar's unigrit.
 
I have tried to post from my gallery and I can't get it to work. Also, I searched for how to post and I made an album and did what it said. I thought it posted but it did not!! So, there are images out there somewhere.
 
I have tried to post from my gallery and I can't get it to work. Also, I searched for how to post and I made an album and did what it said. I thought it posted but it did not!! So, there are images out there somewhere.

You can use Photobucket or some image hosting then copy the IMG link and it will show your pictures as full and not as an attachment

Here is an article: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tips-techniques-how-articles-interacting-discussion-forums/56732-how-use-image-tags-insert-photo.html?highlight=photo
 
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Hope this works

Is this flat enough?
 
Hi Bear,

I just returned to the office and am playing catch-up... here's the link to your photo gallery.

Bear Gallery - AutogeekOnline Gallery


I see you created an album for wetsanding and there is one picture in it and the rest are just in your general gallery. Looks like you're getting the hang of "inserting" pictures too...

You're doing good, it can be kind of confusing when you first start out but now I'm back in the office I'd be happy to give you a hand.


:)
 
Thank you!
I'm not very good at this so, sorry for all the Mistake!! I've been trying to up load photos to the gallery and when I think I have it I don't. I'm not sure how my wife did the one you see. This is embracing I have trouble reading complex stuff I have Dyslexia so it takes me a little longer to figure things out. Ill get it just need a little time. However, on a positive i think I'm getting the Damp sanding your right the griot does work great for out lining and than I fill in with the g110. All I have done is 1500. Also, the flex 14 came in and I'm looking forward to trying it out!
 
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