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[Davidz58]

Hello first time here, want to say hello.
I detail about 2 vehicles per week to add context.

My equipment usually consist of a go to rupes 15 mk3 and a rotary for heavier defect removal.

I was stuck between the Flex XFE cordless vs the Dewalt, but ended with Flex due to faster charge time, weight, and vibration.

After using it now, my biggest concern is the drop in rpms after the battery is about half depleted. Now I understand this is a finisher, so cutting is not the purpose of this. So I want to pair with another cordless.

I am current looking at the XCE cordless, dewalt cordless da, or just skip all together and go to the dewalt or flex cordless rotaries. I find that the flex does xfe does have cutting capability with the right pad and compound, but the run time on max rpm is why I want to get another.

I heard that the dewalt da does have more cutting capability.

What would you guys recommend next, will xce be a noticeable difference or dewalt da, or just go straight to the rotary?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

With the tools you already own - I would strongly recommend getting the corded Supa BEAST.

Get the 6" backing plate and swap it out like I show here,

Supa BEAST backing plate swap


Gear-driven orbital and corded power enables you to buff out a car as fast as humanly possible while consistently putting out pro quality results.

I like the new RUPES foam pads in yellow and white for this set-up.

 

[Davidz58]

With the tools you already own - I would strongly recommend getting the corded Supa BEAST.

Get the 6" backing plate and swap it out like I show here,

Supa BEAST backing plate swap


Gear-driven orbital and corded power enables you to buff out a car as fast as humanly possible while consistently putting out pro quality results.

I like the new RUPES foam pads in yellow and white for this set-up.

Thanks Mike for the reply. Would i be losing out a lot if I went with the cordless xce vs supa beast? I really like the cordless feature, and I picked it up, ill be rotating among 4 batteries

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Here's the deal, the CBEAST is good, but the corded version simply has maximum power.

My style of detailing may be different than yours. I value maximum speed. But - I get it that some people don't mind giving up speed for convenience. If this is more your style then the CBEAST will be a good match.

I haven't used mine in a while because I tend to grab the Supa BEAST most of the time and the primary reason is the power and also I much prefer the 6" backing plate so I can use larger pads. Larger pads means faster buffing due to larger footprint.

I'm going to swap my CBEAST over to a 6" backing plate and use it this weekend and I'll update this thread next week with my thoughts.


Hang tight...

 

[Davidz58]

Here's the deal, the CBEAST is good, but the corded version simply has maximum power.

My style of detailing may be different than yours. I value maximum speed. But - I get it that some people don't mind giving up speed for convenience. If this is more your style then the CBEAST will be a good match.

I haven't used mine in a while because I tend to grab the Supa BEAST most of the time and the primary reason is the power and also I much prefer the 6" backing plate so I can use larger pads. Larger pads means faster buffing due to larger footprint.

I'm going to swap my CBEAST over to a 6" backing plate and use it this weekend and I'll update this thread next week with my thoughts.


Hang tight...

Thanks Mike.
What i would be interested in knowing are.
One, if the cbeast cut better then the rupes 15, and approx how much its losing versus the coded. If it's still faster than rupes, and still around 90% give or take vs coded, then I'll go cbeast. I really like the freedom of spot polishing with these machines. Going over spots i missed, etc.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I'm going to swap my CBEAST over to a 6" backing plate and use it this weekend and I'll update this thread next week with my thoughts.

Done.

I have a 6" backing plate on my personal CBEAST.

Thanks Mike.

What i would be interested in knowing are.

One, if the cbeast cut better then the rupes 15, and approx how much its losing versus the coded.

If it's still faster than rupes, and still around 90% give or take vs coded, then I'll go cbeast.

I really like the freedom of spot polishing with these machines. Going over spots i missed, etc.

Going to buff out the QX30 right now using the CBEAST with a 6" backing plate and probably the RUPES 7" foam pads, will test the white pad first and see if it does what I want it to do, if not will test the yellow pad.

I have 3 of the brand new FLEX 5.0 Amp batteries all charged up and ready to go. I'll keep track of how much juice I use for this size SUV.

 

[Davidz58]

Done.

I have a 6" backing plate on my personal CBEAST.





Going to buff out the QX30 right now using the CBEAST with a 6" backing plate and probably the RUPES 7" foam pads, will test the white pad first and see if it does what I want it to do, if not will test the yellow pad.

I have 3 of the brand new FLEX 5.0 Amp batteries all charged up and ready to go. I'll keep track of how much juice I use for this size SUV.

Can't wait to hear your feedback! Itching to pull the trigger.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

It’s go time!

See the 6” backing plate and 7” RUPES yellow polishing pad?

Time is roughly 1:15pm.

I’ve already clayed the paint and glass. Already polished all the glass including the sunroof.

Now all I need to do is machine polish all the paint.

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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Update

Just finished first battery

40 solid minutes PUSHING HARD.

Did the,

Roof
Good
Passenger side
Rear of car

I’m impressed.

Going back to work.




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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Fresh pad and fresh battery

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[Davidz58]

Are you swapping batteries at 2 bars remaining and that still gave 40 minutes at max speed without losing power?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Done.

Battery had 2 bars left.

It’s 2:30pm - took me 1/2 hour to finish rest of car.

On larger panels I did 8 section passes.

On thin long/narrow panels I did 10 and/or 12 section passes.

Going to wipe-off next the cost with 303G





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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Took me 1 hour and 10 minutes to do a one step production detail to this SUV - including every square millimeter a top to bottom.


Gear-driven orbital saves you time while putting out pro quality results.

Hang tight - will make a video.





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[Davidz58]

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Awesome video! Car looks great.

So in your opinion, how much less power is this versus the super beast? Do you need to change batteries around 2 bars to maintain maximum power?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Are you swapping batteries at 2 bars remaining and that still gave 40 minutes at max speed without losing power?

Nope.

On the first battery - I ran it until it died running.

And for what it's worth - for every body panel I did my normal downward pressure, arm speed and number of section passes jut like I was using a corded model.

Before this car went to the body shop we did a full exterior paint correction and coating. It sat outside when not being worked on for 2 months at the local Infiniti dealership. The paint, glass and trim had water spots and surface contamination. Not the dealership's fault - just the normal thing that happens when you have a daily driver parked outside 24x7.


It's almost 4:00pm and I'm calling it a day. Tomorrow after work I'll coat the glass and apply the 303G

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Awesome video! Car looks great.

Yeah - she just glistens in the garage.

So in your opinion, how much less power is this versus the super beast?

I'll stick to what I shared in post #3 in this article,

FLEX Power Tools Nicknames - All cool tools should have a nickname - not a part number -Mike Phillips



Here's my take on the above 3 gear-driven tools


The BEAST
If I REALLY want to bust out a job and plow through it as fast as humanly possible I use the BEAST.


The Supa BEAST
If not trying to hit Warp Speed - I grab the Supa Beast, much more enjoyable to use. Amazing tool. Smoother, quieter, lighter and cooler than the original.


The CBEAST
If I have an easy job, that means the car has only light swirls, scratches, etc. and I'm not in a hurry then I grab the CBEAST.




I have changed my mind about the 6" backing plate. I much prefer it over the 5" factory backing plate WITH the right pads and right now my favorite 7" pads for the 6" backing plate on the BEAST, the Supa BEAST and the CBEAST are the RUPES yellow and white pads. I'm still not liking the new RUPES blue foam formula.

When cutting or compounding with the BEAST and the Supa BEAST I'm still using the Lake Country Force Hybrid 6.5" Orange Foam Cutting Pad. I'm not sure I'll like this shape or thickness on the CBEAST though. Will do some searching and experimenting.

The CBEAST is a very capable tool. The ability to buff out a car without a power cord is awesome. The GEAR-DRIVEN aspect means no wasting time wit pad stalling. And larger TAPERED foam pads work best with these 3 tools.

Do you need to change batteries around 2 bars to maintain maximum power?

Yes. Max power does fall off but I have not monitored at what point. Still - I'll take a a slower rpm/opm with a gear-driven orbital all day over a free spinning.


The BEASTS - All BRAWL - ZERO STALL


Hope that helps...

 

[Davidz58]

Yeah - she just glistens in the garage.








I'll stick to what I shared in post #3 in this article,

FLEX Power Tools Nicknames - All cool tools should have a nickname - not a part number -Mike Phillips



Here's my take on the above 3 gear-driven tools


The BEAST
If I REALLY want to bust out a job and plow through it as fast as humanly possible I use the BEAST.


The Supa BEAST
If not trying to hit Warp Speed - I grab the Supa Beast, much more enjoyable to use. Amazing tool. Smoother, quieter, lighter and cooler than the original.


The CBEAST
If I have an easy job, that means the car has only light swirls, scratches, etc. and I'm not in a hurry then I grab the CBEAST.




I have changed my mind about the 6" backing plate. I much prefer it over the 5" factory backing plate WITH the right pads and right now my favorite 7" pads for the 6" backing plate on the BEAST, the Supa BEAST and the CBEAST are the RUPES yellow and white pads. I'm still not liking the new RUPES blue foam formula.

When cutting or compounding with the BEAST and the Supa BEAST I'm still using the Lake Country Force Hybrid 6.5" Orange Foam Cutting Pad. I'm not sure I'll like this shape or thickness on the CBEAST though. Will do some searching and experimenting.

The CBEAST is a very capable tool. The ability to buff out a car without a power cord is awesome. The GEAR-DRIVEN aspect means no wasting time wit pad stalling. And larger TAPERED foam pads work best with these 3 tools.






Yes. Max power does fall off but I have not monitored at what point. Still - I'll take a a slower rpm/opm with a gear-driven orbital all day over a free spinning.


The BEASTS - All BRAWL - ZERO STALL


Hope that helps...

Thanks so much Mike.
I think you convinced me to get both cbeast and supe beast to replace my rupes.

 

[Davidz58]

Yeah - she just glistens in the garage.








I'll stick to what I shared in post #3 in this article,

FLEX Power Tools Nicknames - All cool tools should have a nickname - not a part number -Mike Phillips



Here's my take on the above 3 gear-driven tools


The BEAST
If I REALLY want to bust out a job and plow through it as fast as humanly possible I use the BEAST.


The Supa BEAST
If not trying to hit Warp Speed - I grab the Supa Beast, much more enjoyable to use. Amazing tool. Smoother, quieter, lighter and cooler than the original.


The CBEAST
If I have an easy job, that means the car has only light swirls, scratches, etc. and I'm not in a hurry then I grab the CBEAST.




I have changed my mind about the 6" backing plate. I much prefer it over the 5" factory backing plate WITH the right pads and right now my favorite 7" pads for the 6" backing plate on the BEAST, the Supa BEAST and the CBEAST are the RUPES yellow and white pads. I'm still not liking the new RUPES blue foam formula.

When cutting or compounding with the BEAST and the Supa BEAST I'm still using the Lake Country Force Hybrid 6.5" Orange Foam Cutting Pad. I'm not sure I'll like this shape or thickness on the CBEAST though. Will do some searching and experimenting.

The CBEAST is a very capable tool. The ability to buff out a car without a power cord is awesome. The GEAR-DRIVEN aspect means no wasting time wit pad stalling. And larger TAPERED foam pads work best with these 3 tools.






Yes. Max power does fall off but I have not monitored at what point. Still - I'll take a a slower rpm/opm with a gear-driven orbital all day over a free spinning.


The BEASTS - All BRAWL - ZERO STALL


Hope that helps...

Hi Mike,

The cbeast, versus super beast, how much less power do you feel its losing vs the coded?

And is it still enough to do cutting and paint correction?

 

[dgage]

Thanks so much Mike.
I think you convinced me to get both cbeast and supe beast to replace my rupes.

As a professional tool collector, that is definitely one option. Just wondering though if you should get the CBeast first and try it out to see if you even need the SupaBeast. Maybe instead of spending money on the Supa you could buy another battery and be able to go constantly with the cordless. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.