Not clear reflection

BILL said:
You can try, it might improve, but if it were mine?? i'd wet sand as i said before.......but you need a person who knows what there doing. if you DON'T KNOW??? DON'T TRY WET SANDING IT ALONE.........;)
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RE: West sanding--how do you know whether it is the color coat or the clearcoat that is orange peeled. If it is the base coat, you are screwed. If this is not correct, someone please educate, and I will apologize for any wrong information.
 
Personality has a lot to do with customer service. When I worked at Sears, there was this guy who was a little off the wall, but was such a nice guy and had amazing customer service. I'm not calling you off the wall, so don't get mad at the monkey!
 
BlackCoupe said:
RE: West sanding--how do you know whether it is the color coat or the clear coat that is orange peeled. If it is the base coat, you are screwed. If this is not correct, someone please educate, and I will apologize for any wrong information.
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A base coat is very smooth, dull, and lifeless.......without the clear, the base coat has no nothing.....once the clear is put down the base jumps to life and the transformation is actually quite beautiful...so with that said your peel will come with the clear coat.......especially visible on the side panels.:)
 
BILL said:
A base coat is very smooth, dull, and lifeless.......without the clear, the base coat has no nothing.....once the clear is put down the base jumps to life and the transformation is actually quite beautiful...so with that said your peel will come with the clear coat.......especially visible on the side panels.:)
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Not meaning to argue--just want to understand. Why is it that you are saying that there can't be orange peel in the base coat? It might not show up until you put the clear coat on, but they are both "paint"--its just that one has pigments???
 
Urethane Base Coat Ready to spray. Shake stir with a paint stick. Stain it right into the gun cup. Apply 2-3 medium wet coats or until covered waiting a flash time of 10-20 minutes between coats. A final mist coat can be used to make the metallic appear more even. U.B.C. leaves a smooth finish, Do not solvent clean or sand in between coats of base coat color. This product does require to be clear coated within 7 days.
Acrylic Lacquer Clear Coat. Wait one hour of base coat color to dry before application. Easiest to use. Ready to spray. Shake it up. Stir it with a paint stick. Strain it with a strainer right in to the gun cup. Recommended tip size is 1.4. Create a slow build one coat at a time. It takes 4 medium wet coats with a flash time of 5-10 minutes between coats. If orange peel exists wet sand 1500 and 2000-2500 after cure time.​
 
Wow!

this tread has a lot of information, but i have another question for you all:
¿should i be able to actually feel this orange peel with my fingers?. I have just seen a black BMW Serie 1 with orange peel and i was able to feel the roughness, which doesnt happen to my car.


(????)
 
in basic terms, orange peel is the difference in amount of clear sprayed onto a finish. Essentially its like larger pockets of clearcoat, although I use that term quite loosely. Uneven would likely be a better term. As such you can feel very bad orange peel, and highly noticable on very reflective colors (red, yellow, black). Polishing would remove any lifeless spots that might be oxidation, but to really remove it involves wetsanding and a professional. You are clearly removing some clearcoat to essentially even out the layers of clear.

And you can have orange peel in single coat paint. Look at Toyota .. and their blacks. Remember its uneven levels of paint. When you look at clearcoated paint it is most noticable as top layers, but I have seen some cars wet-sanded that still showed some orange peel and yet body shop was afraid to go further because likelyhood of breaching the paint level.
 
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Im dealing with a one - in - a -life - choice.
am i going to do this in my car? am i going to do this to learn and become a professional? am i going to do that in my moms car? why is my car on fire?


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Wet Sanding

I am wet sanding small areas with 1500 to get some scratches out (NO CLEARCOAT) and want to know what PC pad to use and what product to use in order to get the shine back to where it should be.

What are the steps and pads/products shoud I be using.

Thanks
RedBrick
 
RedBrick said:
I am wet sanding small areas with 1500 to get some scratches out (NO CLEARCOAT) and want to know what PC pad to use and what product to use in order to get the shine back to where it should be.

What are the steps and pads/products shoud I be using.

Thanks
RedBrick
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id say white or grey finishing pad and a finshing polish as DP finishing polish.....or any other finishing polish.......
 
I have seen so many orange peels in every single new car! Is this going to end some day?
I mean, is part of the new´s car finish?
 
Moises_C said:
I have seen so many orange peels in every single new car! Is this going to end some day?
I mean, is part of the new´s car finish?
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Thank VOC regs, they require manufacturers to use thinner and thinner paints. Even new Bentley's, Rolls Royces etc all have orange peel. The older Vipers used to have what was considered the best paint from an factory (perfectly wetsanded and everything) no orange peel etc. Now even the new ones have a noticeable amount.
 
Surfer said:
Thank VOC regs, they require manufacturers to use thinner and thinner paints. Even new Bentley's, Rolls Royces etc all have orange peel. The older Vipers used to have what was considered the best paint from an factory (perfectly wetsanded and everything) no orange peel etc. Now even the new ones have a noticeable amount.
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Too bad!

then we have to live with this from now to the end of the days.....
 
Surfer said:
Thank VOC regs, they require manufacturers to use thinner and thinner paints. Even new Bentley's, Rolls Royces etc all have orange peel. The older Vipers used to have what was considered the best paint from an factory (perfectly wetsanded and everything) no orange peel etc. Now even the new ones have a noticeable amount.
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That's just so wrong! :( Don't they know that a perfect paint finish is more important than the environment?? I'M ONLY JOKING!! SO CALIFORNIA SEND YOUR HATE MAIL TO:

STOPSCREWINGUPMYPAINTWITHORANGEPEEL.COM

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :p
 
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De verdad que perdiste un par de tornillos en la ultíma "detallada" del auto:cheers:
 
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Orange Peel

In the mass production environment, it is nearly impossible to eliminate orange peel. Every manufacturer allows some, but those such as Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW allow less in their specification. In a factory there is no "custom" work or several thin coats applied. It gets sprayed by robots, inspected, judged good or bad, then out the door. Most factory orange peel is from excessive film thickness for a single coat of paint. Remember, it gets sprayed once, and the final film thickness must be met with that 1 coat, so it is usually too much. To the factory, the main concern is corrosion protection. They must meet the required thickness first (with 1 coat), then get the appearance the best they can after that. They usually have the spray technique and paint mix perfected since the paint companies have onsite specialists to take care of this aspect, but orange peel cannot be prevented entirely.
 
The paint in the first pic has bubbles in it. The second pic is not that great, so it's kind of hard to tell, but appears to have normal orange peel.
 
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