Not Getting the Paint To " Pop"

I'll throw all you guy's for a loop now!! Try mixing 85rd with 205? Tried this abot a year ago, by reading the specs it wont and shouldn't be mixed but let me tell you yhe results are shocking!! Just my .02$.
 
If you are using the da, 85rd would be your best bet, if using the rotary, UF would be the best way to go.
 
maxepr1 said:
I'll throw all you guy's for a loop now!! Try mixing 85rd with 205? Tried this abot a year ago, by reading the specs it wont and shouldn't be mixed but let me tell you yhe results are shocking!! Just my .02$.
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Do you mean like mixing both polishes together and then using them to buff the paint?????
 
You said you have use alot of waxes, I would now go the opposite route and look at a nice glossy reflective sealant, maybe thats what you need to fit your eye. Duragloss 111 is a nice one.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
If you're seeing great results, then as an option you can chemically strip the after side and re-inspect. You can use Isopropyl Alcohol or Mineral Spirits or even an APC. Mineral Spirits will tend to leave a streak free finish making it easier for your to see the results. IPA and APC will tend to leave a hazy streaking finish which can cloud the paint and distract your eyes from focusing on the results. If this happens you can re-wipe the area with just about any spray detailer to remove the haze or smears.
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Wait what? Mineral Spirits Paint Thinner can be used as a pre wax wipe down to make sure all those other chemicals are gone? If so whats the dilution rate, I really really want to test this! Have plenty of Mineral Spirits sitting around!
 
Yes mixing them in the same bottle! Sounds crazy but was told about this about a year ago and didn't believe it myself! Give it a try, it works the best on VW paint but I have tried it on most everything!
 
maxepr1 said:
Yes mixing them in the same bottle! Sounds crazy but was told about this about a year ago and didn't believe it myself! Give it a try, it works the best on VW paint but I have tried it on most everything!
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Ive never heard of that, Im interrested though... is this supposed to "combine" both steps so you are only using the buffer once instead of twice (once with each product)?

Do you mix it equal parts or a certain ratio??
 
I want to thank you all for the input. But I have to tell you, I'm going with Mike's suggestions. He's not the expert for nothing. Not to blow smoke up anybody's a$$, but you all look to him for advice and until the next detailing messiah ( betcha that's a first time description) comes along, I'm going with Mr. Phillips.
I should be getting my delivery on the 15th. Pics to follow!
 
Mirror Detailing said:
Wait what? Mineral Spirits Paint Thinner can be used as a pre wax wipe down to make sure all those other chemicals are gone? If so whats the dilution rate, I really really want to test this! Have plenty of Mineral Spirits sitting around!
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Check out this thread,

Mineral Spirits versus IPA


maxepr1 said:
Yes mixing them in the same bottle! Sounds crazy but was told about this about a year ago and didn't believe it myself! Give it a try, it works the best on VW paint but I have tried it on most everything!
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I started calling on body shops in 1988, primarily showing guys how to wet-sand, cut and buff with a system approach. Most every shop I called on used a hodge-podge approach of using a little of this, a little of that top if off with either Imperial Hand Glaze or #7 Show Car Glaze. Rarely did I find anyone using a system approach.

In that same vein, I always met guys that were mixing products to try to create the missing link, the magic potion that would finally produce the results they were looking for.

In most cases, whatever it was they were trying to create already exists it's just they don't know about it. I don't believe in mixing products, you can if you want but there's more to chemistry than simply pouring one chemical together with another chemical. Companies like Menzerna, Optima, 3M, Meguiar's, Mother's etc. have decades of research into formulas by real chemists and they all offer complete lines of chemicals for every task a person would need in a fresh paint environment and on cured paints. Usually when someone is mixing products they're trying to create a product that already exists they just don't know about it yet.


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Good point Mike, might as well let the trained professionals come up with the "fountain of youth" formula for our cars and not try the mix-n-match home edition
 
jpegs13 said:
I want to thank you all for the input. But I have to tell you, I'm going with Mike's suggestions. He's not the expert for nothing. Not to blow smoke up anybody's a$$, but you all look to him for advice and until the next detailing messiah ( betcha that's a first time description) comes along, I'm going with Mr. Phillips.
I should be getting my delivery on the 15th. Pics to follow!
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Not all of us look to Mike for advice, some have more knowledge and experience than he does.

Go with what you feel comfortable with, which in turn probably will make it easier for you. Don't forget to take pics of your results.
 
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ASPHALT ROCKET said:
Not all of us look to Mike for advice, some have more knowledge and experience than he does.

Go with what you feel comfortable with, which in turn probably will make it easier for you. Don't forget to take pics of your results.
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I meant no slighting of anyone elses abilities, just soooo many different opinions. Until I get more comfortable with the process, it's best to go with the man listed as " Director of Training"
 
Jonnybob, what I mean as far as mixing the two are I have found that my last step is cut in half or more than half. Meaning I am only doing 1 series of passes (4to6) instead of 2 sets or 3 sets. The paint looks that good! When using just 205 I almost always am doing 2-4 series to get it LSP. After 1 step of the mix almost always (depending on the softness of the paint) it's ready for LSP. It's like finishing and jewling all in one. The ratio that I am using is 1 oz. 205 to 2.5 oz. of 85RD. But this all depends on the type of paint. This isn't recomended like Mr. Phillips said I'm no scientist it's just a method I was told about that I have found to work for me. Remember all these companies with these "scientists" are out to make MONEY!!! Why make one Magic Potion when you could sell two!!
 
jpegs13 said:
I want to thank you all for the input. But I have to tell you, I'm going with Mike's suggestions. He's not the expert for nothing. Not to blow smoke up anybody's a$$, but you all look to him for advice and until the next detailing messiah ( betcha that's a first time description) comes along, I'm going with Mr. Phillips.
I should be getting my delivery on the 15th. Pics to follow!
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:wow:Remember your talking to people who have been in business for years, if not decades. There are a lot more people that are experts on here than just one. Granted they are mostly self-proclaimed:joking:.
 
loudog2 said:
:wow:Remember your talking to people who have been in business for years, if not decades. There are a lot more people that are experts on here than just one. Granted they are mostly self-proclaimed:joking:.
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Again, I wasn't demeaning anyone elses abilities or know how, I'm really new at this and Mike managed to K.I.S.S ( keep it simple, stupid). As I get more familiar with the processes and the products I might be able to understand what the heck you guys are talking about. Right now it sounds like Latin to me.
 
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