NXT liquid wax over XMT finishing glaze w/ carnuba?

[cyclist7531]

Is it appropriate to use NXT liquid wax over XMT finishing glaze?
Thanks Mark

 

[Surfer]

I wouldn't, NXT has some cleaning ability. I would just throw a carnauba over the glaze.

 

[Nuke33]

I agree

 

[cyclist7531]

Thanks. Would just any good paste wax work?

 

[Whitethunder46]

Yea, any paste carnauba would work just fine.

I just want to throw this in there. I used XMT glaze for the first time last week (even though I've had it for a month), and I was fairly pleased. Not sure how much depth or wetness it added since I have a white car, but if did have a few filling properties, not a ton, but some. I used it on a blue Edge pad at speed 4 on the PC. I put the Glaze directly on the surface of the car because otherwise the pad will just absorb it right up.

 

[67Customs]

Actually, it is funny, the last detail I did I used NXT Liquid over XMT Carnuba Finishing Glaze for a test. I even did a line test to see if I could notice a difference. Also, I pulled my wife inside the garage and asked her which side looked better. Guess what? She chose the side with the XMT and NXT. She doesn't know polish from wax, but she knows which side looks better.

I have been told that NXT doesn't have the cleaning abilities that people say they do. And this is comming from Meguiar's people. It doesn't strip of the lower products like people think.

I actually had luck with this combo. I added a coat of XMT with a LC Finishing pad and then I went right back over that with NXT by hand and a Meguiar's applicator pad. I seriously could tell a difference. The side with XMT was deeper. Not just shinier. BTW, the car I was testing on was black.

I'm not saying that a carnuba paste wouldn't be better, I just say that NXT will work. Especially if you are looking for longer protection.

I say give it a try. I think you will be suprised.

 

[cyclist7531]

Thanks, I think I'll give a go. The car is not a daily driver (91 red corvette) and sits in the garage 6 days out of 7.

Mark

 

[bambo2888]

Actually, it is funny, the last detail I did I used NXT Liquid over XMT Carnuba Finishing Glaze for a test. I even did a line test to see if I could notice a difference. Also, I pulled my wife inside the garage and asked her which side looked better. Guess what? She chose the side with the XMT and NXT. She doesn't know polish from wax, but she knows which side looks better.

I have been told that NXT doesn't have the cleaning abilities that people say they do. And this is comming from Meguiar's people. It doesn't strip of the lower products like people think.

I actually had luck with this combo. I added a coat of XMT with a LC Finishing pad and then I went right back over that with NXT by hand and a Meguiar's applicator pad. I seriously could tell a difference. The side with XMT was deeper. Not just shinier. BTW, the car I was testing on was black.

I'm not saying that a carnuba paste wouldn't be better, I just say that NXT will work. Especially if you are looking for longer protection.

I say give it a try. I think you will be suprised.

I'm not sure I would agree with that, especially since it says on the bottle that it has cleaning properties with light abrasion. If a Meg's rep told you this, you got lied to. NXT is not a bad wax, but it is not something to top layer of expensive polishes and glazes with. Likewise, a carnaube wax will DEFINITELY have a longer durability than NXT. Let me put it this way, Meg's is the best cheap stuff you can get, IMO.

 

[67Customs]

I'm not sure I would agree with that, especially since it says on the bottle that it has cleaning properties with light abrasion. If a Meg's rep told you this, you got lied to. NXT is not a bad wax, but it is not something to top layer of expensive polishes and glazes with. Likewise, a carnaube wax will DEFINITELY have a longer durability than NXT. Let me put it this way, Meg's is the best cheap stuff you can get, IMO.

Yeah, I guess you are right. They have a tendancy to lie about their products.

A lot of products say a lot of things on the bottle. They don't always do exactly what they say. Most stuff put on the bottle is exagerated to market to the average consumer. You should know that.

I don't always go by what is on the bottle. Hence the reason I spoke with a rep and did my own test. He told me it DOES have cleaners, but it doesn't clean as much as people think. He didn't lie and the bottle doesn't lie. It is just exagerated. I'm just relaying what I have learning though my own reasearch, not just by reading a bottle.

If NXT cleans the lower products off, then why did I see a difference? Dude, I have a crap load of different waxes. Cheap ones and expensive ones. I do test here and there for fun. I am just mentioning what I found. I never said it was the gospel and I never said it was the best. You don't have to agree with me if you don't want to. He wanted to know if it worked, well it worked for me and I just thought I would let him know. The only thing he can do is try it himself and see if he gets results.

 

[bambo2888]

if i remember correctly, forums are methods of sharing opinions and feelings on topics, right? this is EXACTLY why I tastfully stated that I disagree with what you said, in no way was any negativity projected.

furthermore, that the rep AND the bottle both said that it does have "some" cleaning properties to it, whether in reality that it is some or a lot, the fact is that it does remove layer of whatever you had on before it. the cleaning property is actually a chemical cleaning agent that will, no matter what and how its used, remove some contaminants, SIMILAR to that of a clay bar, just not as effectively.

dont take offense just because someone stated they disagreed with you, be mature. its all good:cheers:

 

[cyclist7531]

Thanks folks. Appreciate the feedback.

Mark

 

[ScottB]

NXT does have cleaning ability ... the label doesnt lie , it say Calcified Kaolin. Mike Phillips even offered as much several times on the forums.

 

[67Customs]

dont take offense just because someone stated they disagreed with you, be mature. its all good:cheers:

I'm not getting defensive. I just don't think it is fair to a)call that guy a lier and b)tell me that you think I am wrong when am the one that has actually tried it. And recently at that.

It may remove a little of the XMT glaze, but it still leaves enough under it to make a difference. I have seen it with my own two eyes.

NXT does have cleaning ability ... the label doesnt lie , it say Calcified Kaolin. Mike Phillips even offered as much several times on the forums.

I never siad it did lie. I said it's cleaning abilities might be exagerated. Also, he might be asking because he has NXT and XMT in front of him and he doesn't or can't get a good carnuba wax. So, what if he wants to try it?

This is the last thing I am going to say about it. NXT over XMT Carnuba Glaze will work. There are better topper choices, but if you want to try it, it will work and t will look good.

 

[cyclist7531]

Ok, I tried it and it actually doesn't look half bad. This car is not a daily driver and stays in the garage, covered, 6 out of 7 days a week. Next time I'll try a good carnuba paste and compare.

I think we can put this one to bed.

Mark

 

[bambo2888]

I'm glad NXT worked well for you and it DOES look good, but I'm sorry you were forced to remove the glaze you applied before it. i was in the boat as you and until I had it explained to me, i was using NXT. getting some otc Mother's pure carnauba is just as cheap and easy to find.

 

[supercharged]

Even though NXT has some cleaners I would not use it over carnauba - you will have bonding issues.

 

[justin_murphy]

I've used NXT to actually remove light oxidation. It has cleaning abilities. Do not use it over XMT Glaze. Use NXT by itself or top XMT Glaze with a pure carnauba like Megs #26.

 

[Whitethunder46]

I just want to ask this. Does PB's Natty's Blue have cleaners? Or is it a pure Carnauba?

 

[Surfer]

I just want to ask this. Does PB's Natty's Blue have cleaners? Or is it a pure Carnauba?

No cleaners

As Justin said, NXT has the ability to remove light oxidation and clean the paint especially when used by PC, after polishing you don't have to use AIO or any other prep as NXT will clean the surface and bond. I personally never cared for it though, has a decent shine at first but fades off after 2-3 weeks and beading stopped at about the 2 month mark. The NXT detail spray majorily sucks, your better off just putting some NXT on again lol.

High quality carnauba's like Natty's Blue and Max Wax keep their look longer then that and beading.

 

[67Customs]

OK, I said I was done, but I just can't let it go...

I'm not sure I would agree with that, especially since it says on the bottle that it has cleaning properties with light abrasion. If a Meg's rep told you this, you got lied to.

Nowhere on my bottle of NXT is the word "clean" or any form of the word. The only mention to any cleaning or polishing properties is that it will "remove fine scratches". And we all know that it doesn't remove those scratches, it hides them.

Murr1525 is correct, M21 and NXT are not cleaner/waxes. They should be used on a finish in excellent condition or after a pre-wax cleaner has been used. If you're working on a neglected finish and want a one-step product Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax or ColorX would be a better choice.

Why would Mike and the bottle suggest a pre-wax cleaner if NXT had enough cleaners in it to remove surface contaminants, let alone a previous waxes or glazes on the paint?

NXT does have cleaning ability ... the label doesnt lie , it say Calcified Kaolin. Mike Phillips even offered as much several times on the forums.

Again, it doesn't say anything about "cleaning" on the bottle. And in reference to the above post, it isn't a cleaner/wax. From Mike himself.

I'm glad NXT worked well for you and it DOES look good, but I'm sorry you were forced to remove the glaze you applied before it.

Does Tech Wax contain abrasives? Good question. The answer is No. Tech Wax contains no ingredients that will scratch the surface. NXT Tech Wax is non-abrasive.

If you have some NXT Tech Wax, try this,

* Pour a little dab out onto your car's clean finish.
* Rub some between two clean fingers... feel anything?
* Rub some between your finger and your finish... feel anything?

What you feel is a smooth, creamy liquid comparable to a hand lotion. NXT Tech Wax is non-abrasive, it will not scratch any car finish.

NXT is non-abrasive.

Remember, the most important thing is the results you get. Too many people focus on what's in the bottle? What I have noticed over the last 5-6 months since NXT Tech Wax has been available is that the some people have discovered that Tech Wax cannot be beat in the appearance category, so they attack it at ever other angle they can find, mostly the durability issue and the ingredients issue. Next time you're reading a thread/argument over NXT and any other product, pay close attention not to the topic, but to the players, and their tactics. Case in point, there was a regular on Autopia bashing NXT Tech Wax on durability and then it comes out that he hasn't even tried it!

What really matters is when you wipe off the wax and then get blown away by the results...

Again, I don't see enough evidence that there are enough cleaners or abrasives in NXT to clear off other layers of products.

And again, there is NO way I could have seen a difference in paint shine on my line test if NXT had have removed all my glaze. Glaze WAS still there. And nobody forced him to do anything.

BTW, have you ever even tried NXT before?

Even though NXT has some cleaners I would not use it over carnauba - you will have bonding issues.

This is true. The durability of NXT over a carnuba glaze will be compromised. It will last long enough though. The ladies car is still beeding after a month and a half of harsh winter after I applied XMT Carnuba Glaze and the a layer of NXT.

As Justin said, NXT has the ability to remove light oxidation and clean the paint especially when used by PC,...

High quality carnauba's like Natty's Blue and Max Wax keep their look longer then that and beading.

If it is removing oxidation with a PC, then it is the pad doing the brunt of the work. NXT is just acting like a lube.

I had a Silver Mazda and it had oxidation on the roof. I would apply wax by hand to it and it would seem to "remove" the oxidation. However, after the wax wore off, the oxidation was back. It didn't just reappear. The wax only hid it. I have a feeling this is what you are getting with the NXT. Just hidding the oxidation, not removing it if you are only applying it by hand.

And a I do agree, a pure carnuba would be a much better choice as a topper over XMT Carnuba Glaze. However, like I said before, NXT WILL work. It may not be as durable, but it will look GREAT!

I think to many people are just spitting out stuff that they have heard (especially from nay sayers) about NXT and they aren't doing enough research on their own.