NXT liquid wax over XMT finishing glaze w/ carnuba?

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well, based on your post with all of the quoted responses from this forums top respected detailers, it seems that the consensus is that the NXT is in fact, a cleaner wax. lol


just calm down and don't take it personally that someone disagreed with you, in a professional manner at that. either way, no matter what your next post is, nxt still holds the reputation of being a cleaner. if its not a carnauba and it specifically says on the bottle "removes swirls", it is a cleaner, no matter what a rep from Megs tells you. They are clearly advertising the feature of cleaning abilities, therefore, mo matter how small the ability may be, it still has it. the fact that it even says this is enough for me and hopefully anyone else to not use nxt as a final coat over a glaze and/or a sealant.
 
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Let me recap your posts here a lttel bit...

sixty7mustang22 said:
I don't always go by what is on the bottle. Hence the reason I spoke with a rep and did my own test. He told me it DOES have cleaners

sixty7mustang22 said:
Again, I don't see enough evidence that there are enough cleaners or abrasives in NXT to clear off other layers of products.

sixty7mustang22 said:
It may remove a little of the XMT glaze, but it still leaves enough under it to make a difference.

sixty7mustang22 said:
I said it's cleaning abilities might be exagerated.



Then what a moderator pointed out to us backed with chemical information ON THE BOTTLE...

killrwheels@autogeek said:
NXT does have cleaning ability ... the label doesnt lie , it say Calcified Kaolin. Mike Phillips even offered as much several times on the forums.

The what Justin had to say...

justin30513 said:
I've used NXT to actually remove light oxidation. It has cleaning abilities. Do not use it over XMT Glaze. Use NXT by itself or top XMT Glaze with a pure carnauba like Megs #26.


With a little history of this thread reposted, maybe some of youu will see where I am coming from with all of the contridications in the aforementioned posts.

I was VERY nice in how I proposed my disagreement, there is no need for defense. When asking if I used NXT, I was raised on Gold Class and NXT, so I have a VERY firm background with Megs waxes, NXT in particular.
 
bambo2888 said:
well, based on your post with all of the quoted responses from this forums top respected detailers, it seems that the consensus is that the NXT is in fact, a cleaner wax. lol
OK, see, that right there is your problem. You obviously didn't read the whole post. Just incase you missed it the first time, let me show you again. This is from a highly respected detailer/moderator from Meguiar's. One of your top respected detailers/moderator even mentioned his name.
Mike Phillips said:
Murr1525 is correct, M21 and NXT are not cleaner/waxes.They should be used on a finish in excellent condition or after a pre-wax cleaner has been used. If you're working on a neglected finish and want a one-step product Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax or ColorX would be a better choice.
Mike Phillips said:
Does Tech Wax contain abrasives? Good question. The answer is No. Tech Wax contains no ingredients that will scratch the surface. NXT Tech Wax is non-abrasive.

If you have some NXT Tech Wax, try this,

* Pour a little dab out onto your car's clean finish.
* Rub some between two clean fingers... feel anything?
* Rub some between your finger and your finish... feel anything?

What you feel is a smooth, creamy liquid comparable to a hand lotion. NXT Tech Wax is non-abrasive, it will not scratch any car finish.

NXT is non-abrasive.

Remember, the most important thing is the results you get. Too many people focus on what's in the bottle? What I have noticed over the last 5-6 months since NXT Tech Wax has been available is that the some people have discovered that Tech Wax cannot be beat in the appearance category, so they attack it at ever other angle they can find, mostly the durability issue and the ingredients issue. Next time you're reading a thread/argument over NXT and any other product, pay close attention not to the topic, but to the players, and their tactics. Case in point, there was a regular on Autopia bashing NXT Tech Wax on durability and then it comes out that he hasn't even tried it!

What really matters is when you wipe off the wax and then get blown away by the results...
Now, this guy has years of Meguiar's behind him. Some people are bashing NXT and haven't even used it or done reseach or tests. They are just listening to false claims. So, as far as I am concerned, this "consensus" that you are pointing out is coming from false information. So, basically, what you are saying is that no matter what, you are going with what the majority say, even if they came to their conclusion through false pretenses?


bambo2888 said:
just calm down and don't take it personally that someone disagreed with you, in a professional manner at that. either way, no matter what your next post is, nxt still holds the reputation of being a cleaner. if its not a carnauba and it specifically says on the bottle "removes swirls", it is a cleaner, no matter what a rep from Megs tells you. They are clearly advertising the feature of cleaning abilities, therefore, mo matter how small the ability may be, it still has it. the fact that it even says this is enough for me and hopefully anyone else to not use nxt as a final coat over a glaze and/or a sealant.
The only thing that I am taking personally is the fact that you refuse to accept that I might be right in the fact that NXT can be successfully put over top of XMT Carnuba Glaze and it will have a better appearance than NXT alone and that it will not strip off all of the glaze even after I have done test and you haven't. So yes, I am taking that personal.

And if you don't think doing research to refute an argument isn't professional, rather than just agreeing or spitting out stuff that you have heard just to be arguing, then I'm not really sure what your idea of professional is.

Plus, you proved something in your own words. "nxt still holds the reputation of being a cleaner." So, you base your decision off of reputation instead of doing research and tests? That is a bit risky if you ask me.

It doesn't remove swirls either. It hides them. If it doesn't contain any abrasives, then please tell me how it removes swirls? I would love to hear that. I don't care if it does say that it removes swirls on the bottle. It may be removing them from sight, but I guarantee it isn't removing them from the clear coat. That is just PURE marketing and judging by your reaction, it apparently works.

AND, furthermore, I can't believe that you are still saying that a Meg's rep is wrong. I'm not talking about a flunky that you call in India for customer service, I am talking about people that get their hands dirty with the products.

Once again, NXT can be successfully layered over a glaze or a sealant.
 
bambo2888 said:
Let me recap your posts here a lttel bit...

Then what a moderator pointed out to us backed with chemical information ON THE BOTTLE...
I never said a rep pointed me to the back of the bottle. Don't put words in my mouth. I actually took that from you. I didn't have a bottle in front of me and I took your word for it. See what happens when you take word from someone that isn't educated in the matter?

Plus, I should have added " " around cleaners each time I used it. They aren't cleaners in the traditional sense like the cleaners in cleaner/waxes. The "cleaners" are there to help bond the wax to the surface not the traditional cleaners found in cleaner/waxes. Which is why Mike says in his posts that it isn't a cleaner/wax. Hence the reason that it can be put on top of other products. Actually, I haven't ever even found where on Meguiar's even mentions cleaners now that I think about it. So, this name "cleaners" in NXT has just been given by people that don't even really know what is in the bottle.

I did find this on Meguiar's site..."After years of research into advanced polymer chemistry, Meguiar’s® has created a wax powered by Engineered Synthetic Polymer (ESP) technology. The result, NXT Generation® Tech Wax™, is the most technologically advanced synthetic protectant for paint available for today’s modern finishes and clear coats. Our breakthrough formulation goes on and comes off easy without a powdery residue to visually eliminate fine swirls, protect against UV damage, and leave your finish “amped up” – with a deep, wet-look shine that is unbelievably intense. ESP technology creates a tough polymer bond for xtreme, durable protection.

No mention of cleaners or abrasives at all.

That is what is wrong with this whole discussion anyway. The use of the word cleaners is incorrect anyway. So really, we aren't even talking about the same thing and I am the only one who will admit that. NXT isn't abrasive and it doesn't have the tradition cleaners in it that will remove enough products under it (if any at all) for them to not have any effect. So, it is effective being put on top of XMT Carnuba Glaze.

bambo2888 said:
killrwheels@autogeek said:
NXT does have cleaning ability ... the label doesnt lie , it say Calcified Kaolin. Mike Phillips even offered as much several times on the forums.
It says not one thing on the bottle about cleaners.

bambo2888 said:
The what Justin had to say..
justin30513 said:
I've used NXT to actually remove light oxidation. It has cleaning abilities. Do not use it over XMT Glaze. Use NXT by itself or top XMT Glaze with a pure carnauba like Megs #26.
Now, I think Justin is one of the best detailers I have ever seen, but still, it takes abrasion to remove oxidation. The type of abrasion that NXT doesn't have. It can only mask oxidation. "Visually removing" it as Meguiar's says.

bambo2888 said:
I was VERY nice in how I proposed my disagreement, there is no need for defense.
I was as nice as I could be. There is still need for defense. Defense is standing up for something you believe in. You are standing by what you say, and that is defensive also.
 
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I've been following this thread closely for pure entertainment, haha.

I will say/mention this. I think there are two versions, an older and a newer version. I think the older version had poor durability while the newer one seems to hold up a little longer. (This might be vice versa, not sure)

I know Justin, a very respected detailer on this forum, really likes NXT and he just said he sees cleaning abilities with it. Again, maybe this is a different version??

Also, you mentioned that NXT "hides" swirls, etc. On the bottle it says "eliminates fine swirls", at least on my bottle. If it doesn't have abrasives or cleaner, how can it elmininate? It doesn't say "hide", it says "eliminate". IF it does just hide, well then, isn't that false advertising from Megs?

I just want to point this out from my own experience and from the bottle that I'm looking at right now. O yes, I believe I have the old version too.

And on a side note, Megs is one of my favorite companies, especially their pro detailing line.
 
1. no one ever put words in your mouth

2. to "eliminate" swirls, as the bottle I have says, cleaners must be present

3. your posts are contridictory

4. i simply disagreed with you, YOU then took offense to that, which can be seen by your immediate posts

5. calm down, grow up, and accept other people's point of view, which also just happen to be the majority. not saying that they are neccessarily correct, but so far, everyone but you have noticed cleaning properties by using NXT, as the bottle indicates.

i dont see how my claims and the claims of everyone above are wrong in this situation...
 
were going to lock this one down as more personal than informational. If you take the time to do a search on Autopia, use keywords kaolin and NXT you will see where Mike Phillips backpeddled on his original stance that there were NO cleaners in NXT, and admitted there were light cleaners and a very quick diminishing abrasive called Calcified Kaolin. When I said label, I meant the MSDS sheet which cannot lie or hide the truth. It is the true makeup of a product.

Now that does NOT mean NXT is not a good wax, use it for yourself. In layering you are likley to remove some/all of the previous layer. Who cares ?? You now have a fresh layer anyways. If you want longer durability then look to #21 which has long been known outside this forum to be the professional grade NXT. It now comes in a smaller bottle (see New Area in Autogeek) and once again try for yourself.

We will not become Zaino or Zealots here on this forum, take it as family setting or get lost !!!
 
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