% of carnauba in WG Fuzion and Souveran ?
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LuxuryMobile
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My guess is that Souveran > Fuzion when it comes to carnauba content.
But no idea of %.
But no idea of %.
how could you not know the product that you sell?
Do you expect coca cola employees to know the formula for coke?
Rayaz
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Yes, but they should not reveal it unless they are tortured for at least 24 hours.
well i am not asking in a bad way . example other waxes claim 50 to 100%carnuba in their wax . and i know if someone ask me and i say i do not know it kinda makes me look not too informed. but that been said ,whether it be 1to 100% i know the wg and souveran are both great waxes .
BobbyG
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Most manufactures don't advertise or share their formulation for obvious reasons.
Carnauba by itself is Very Hard and if someone's advertising 100% Carnauba wax in a paste or spray then move on....
FUNX650
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Hmmm...'Carnuba' Waxes
Carnauba content (%) in waxes.
This usually becomes a very sensitive talking-point issue for most car-care wax manufacturers/re-sellers and their marketing gurus.
It seems to me that the 'carnuba-wax' manufacturers/re-sellers/marketers are apprehensive if they advertise how much each of their specific carnuba wax product is comprised of actual carnuba wax, out of the total contents of said products, that:
a.) We would not be impressed
b.) It would give off the perception/image that theirs contain less than their competitors.
What if they advertise how much carnauba wax is in their product by:
-Type/Class of carnuba wax
-% of carnuba content by weight
-% of carnuba wax content by volume
-% of the total finished product
-% measurement taken of carnuba/other ingredients when "wet or dry"
Nah, instead, come to think of it:
Doesn't it sound more impressive when the manufacturers and their ilk, advertise: 100% carnauba wax instead of 3% carnuba wax??!!!
I, instead, would appreciate it more when a carnuba wax is advertised as having (and I'll use hypothetical carnuba wax product: OOHWEEWOW-11
: )"Our carnuba wax product contains":
-28% carnauba wax, of total product, by weight.
-For comparison: 42%, by volume; and,
-83% of the total wax content is carnuba
-This does not include the percentage (%) [by either weight or volume] of other ingredients....Some of which may include: Beeswax, Montan and other waxes, perfumes, dyes, carrier solvents, etc.
-Like I said above.....I would appreciate it if this type of advertising were more prevalent....But I don't foresee it becoming common-place any time soon!!
BTW: Even if WG Fusion and Souveran waxes don't advertise their % of carnuba, IMO, I don't believe they would lay their reputation on the line if they were not excellent vehicle-care wax products.
Bob
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LOL I always get a kick out of waxes advertising 100% carnuba. Maybe 100% of the carnuba is 100% carnuba, but there is no way the whole jar is solid wax. Carnuba is like concrete and takes a lot of refining to get to the point it can be used as car wax. It is used in a ton of other things too. Look at the ingredients on your Tic Tacs. It is what makes them glossy. It is also used in a ton of medications for the same reason. And it is a diuretic, so expect to find it in things that make you go poop. lol
All I know is that when compared side by side the Fuzion will outlast the Souveran. Probably by virtue of the additional polymers in the Fuzion, but I'm not expert. I use Fuzion on my car in the winter because it looks better than Klasse and still protects from November into March. Souveran never gave me that kind of durability through the salt and the ice, so my nod goes to Fuzion if you are looking for durability. It is really hard to decide between the two when it comes to looks though. They are both just outstanding lookers. Maybe Fuzion on anything with metal flake and Souveran on solids. That's how I would separate them.
All I know is that when compared side by side the Fuzion will outlast the Souveran. Probably by virtue of the additional polymers in the Fuzion, but I'm not expert. I use Fuzion on my car in the winter because it looks better than Klasse and still protects from November into March. Souveran never gave me that kind of durability through the salt and the ice, so my nod goes to Fuzion if you are looking for durability. It is really hard to decide between the two when it comes to looks though. They are both just outstanding lookers. Maybe Fuzion on anything with metal flake and Souveran on solids. That's how I would separate them.
FUNX650
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MSDS?....Never heard of 'em!
Carnuba Wax Products: % of carnuba, and other types of waxes, being that they are not considered "hazardous ingredients", are usually exempt from being listed on an MSDS's ingredients listing section...unless the manufacturer so desires. "Proprietary" is the norm we see/hear whenever this carnuba/other types of waxes is involved. I so wish it was otherwise.
Just for "FUN"?: A "Typical" MSDS (Please note where I've bolded-in-red):
SECTION 1
CHEMICAL PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
a. Product identifier: Brand X Carnuba Wax
Chemical class:
Synonym:
b. Name of supplier, address and emergency telephone number:
c. Name of manufacturer, address and emergency telephone number:
d. Product use: Vehicle Care
e. Date of MSDS preparation:
f. Name and telephone number of party responsible for MSDS preparation:
SECTION 2
COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
a. Chemical identity and CAS registry no. of hazardous ingredients
b. Ingredients with unknown toxicological properties:
c. Ingredients the supplier believes may be harmful:
d. Generic chemical identity, registry number, and date of claim for trade secret ingredients registered under the Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission:
e. Ingredient concentration in units of wt./wt., vol./vol. or wt./vol.
f. Exposure limits for ingredients:
SECTION 3
HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION Potential Health Effects:
a. Relevant routes of exposure:
b. Adverse health effects from exposure to product or ingredients of product:
i) Length of exposure
ii) Severity of effect
iii) Target organ
iv) Type of effect
v) Signs and symptoms
SECTION 4
FIRST AID MEASURES If accidental overexposure is suspected
Eyes:
Skin:
Inhalation:
Ingestion:
Note to physician:
Medical conditions likely to be aggravated by exposure:
SECTION 5
FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
1. Flash point and method:
2. Upper and lower flammable (explosive) limits in air:
3. Auto-ignition temperature:
4. Hazardous combustion products:
5. Conditions under which flammability could occur:
6. Extinguishing media:
7. Sensitivity to explosion by mechanical impact:
8. Sensitivity to explosion by static discharge:
9. Fire fighting procedures:
SECTION 6
ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
a. Procedures for dealing with a release or spill:
SECTION 7
HANDLING AND STORAGE
a. Handling practices and equipment:
b. Appropriate storage practices/requirements:
SECTION 8
EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
a. Applicable control measures, including engineering controls:
b. Personal protective equipment for each exposure route:
SECTION 9
PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
a. Appearance:
b. Odor:
c. Physical state:
d. pH:
e. Vapor pressure and reference temperature:
f. Vapor density:
g. Boiling point:
h. Freezing/melting point:
i. Specific gravity or density:
j. Evaporation rate:
k. Partition coefficient:
l. Odor threshold:
m. Viscosity:
n. Solubility in water:
SECTION 10
STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
a. Chemical stability:
b. Conditions to avoid:
c. Incompatibility with other materials:
d. Hazardous decomposition products:
e. Hazardous polymerization:
SECTION 11
TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
a. Effects of short-term exposure:
b. Effects of long-term exposure:
c. Irrantancy:
d. Sensitization:
e. Carcinogenicity:
f. Reproductive toxicity:
g. Teratogenicity:
h. Mutagenicity:
i. Name of toxicologically synergistic products:
SECTION 12
ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
SECTION 13
DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
a. Waste disposal information:
SECTION 14
TRANSPORT INFORMATION
a. Shipping information such as shipping classification:
b. Product Identification Number for the entire product.
SECTION 15
REGULATORY INFORMATION
a. classification for product:
b. A statement that the MSDS has been prepared to meet the requirements as mandated by law
SECTION 16
OTHER INFORMATION
1. Chemical Product And Company Identification
[Partly sourced from: OSHA website]
Bob
Dodo had an interesting demo at DF last year ...
That pot on the left that is halved is 60% (if I remember correctly) carnauba, and it is harder than a brick. Don't get caught up by carnauba content.
I was going to post a link to that in the AG store.
Now...how about adding some of Flat Earth or the 'nuba flakes to the Home Brew kit?
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Dodo had an interesting demo at DF last year ...
That pot on the left that is halved is 60% (if I remember correctly) carnauba, and it is harder than a brick. Don't get caught up by carnauba content.
Haha! Nice picture Bill! Cool demo material by Dodo
Mike@DedicatedPerfection
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Great explanation Bob.
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I tried MSDS but it was just OK. I prefer PSDS. I'll send you a sample to review.
Please don't send me hate mail. It was a joke about how often acronyms are used around here.