ONR one bucket or two

I use one bucket...with a divider. ONR in one side and clean water in the other.

 
I clean mine out with APC and a don't use it on anything that has twigs. If so a brush helps to get the debris out. Never had any issues here. Saves me many towels from getting washed.
 
Currently using McKee's N-914 instead of ONR with bunch of towels in a bucket. I like this much, much better. And I am not sure why!!! Grin...

End result seems brighter, paint appears to have more of a pop than ONR. I could be imaging this.

Bottom line---both ONR and N-914 are dang good stuff!

Tom
 
joleyred said:
Mike Phillips has a video on rinseless washes and I started following that method. You put several towels in your solution, let them get thoroughly wet. Using one at a time, and folding 4 ways as he always shows, constantly turning to another side. When one towel is completely used on all sides, grab a clean one. You never put a dirty towel back in your solution and it stays clean. I have a lid for my bucket and mix up 3 gallons at a time and can wash several cars with it and you waste nothing. Works great.

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That is how I do it too. It's the safest way. I also pre-soak the pannels with a detailer strenght ONR solution to make it even safer.
 
One bucket with 3 gallons of onrww solution
One Rinseless wash mitt
One damp 600 gsm towel for initial drying
One dry towel for final drying
One MF towel to apply optimum car wax
Left over onrww solution is then used on wheels, wheel wells, and tires

Vehicle is daily driver with minor swirls. To keep my sanity, i try not to keep it at show car level because it will never be. Clean and shiny with swirls visible only at the right angle even in direct sunlight.
 
This has been a great discussion! Thanks to all who have posted comments.

I use both the GDWM (multiple towels in one bucket of solution) and ONR with the BRS in a single bucket to do rinseless washes exclusively.

For my garage queens, it’s strictly the multiple towel GDWM in a single bucket of D114 at 256:1, with a pre-soak mixed up in a pump sprayer at 128:1. I like TRC Eagle Edgeless towels to wash, followed by Griots PFMs to dry. When my stash of D114 runs out, l will likely switch to N914 from McKee’s.

On our daily drivers, l use 3 gallons of ONR in a single bucket with a grit guard, along with the BRS. Have not experienced any scratching or marring using the BRS. When finished, I always dump the used ONR and refill my bucket with 3 gallons of fresh water and ONR along with the sponge. That way I’m all set to go for my next wash when needed.

Both methods work just fine with no negative results. Using the BRS tends to be messier, with more solution ending up on the floor - but that is the only major difference I have found.

I’ve used several other rinseless products, including Griots Rinseless Wash & Wax, Uber, D115, IUDJ w/Juice Boost, Trifecta, and ECH2O. All of these just using the GDWM.

I’m probably more comfortable with using multiple towels, but I have to say ONR with the BRS in one bucket with a grit guard works very well with no ill affects in my experience.
 
Problem I run into with the sponge is in winter the water gets too salty. You end up with salty streaks after a couple panels in

With the Gary dean method the towels I have far less chance unless a drying towel has a bit of salt in it from the previous panel

Anyone have any cures for that? I don’t really want to make multiple buckets just to wash or wash the car multiple times. Easier for me to take through the car wash at that point


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I use 2 buckets...Im not really comfortable cleaning a car with brown water after I clean half a car.
 
RZJZA80 said:
Pretty sure I remember seeing Todd Helme use MF towels to wash instead of a wash mitt and using multiple towels before anyone else, way back in the day.
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Honestly, I don't even think Todd was a member of Autopia at the time Bill D was espousing his method in 2005. At that time GSRStilez was the master of the well-photographed pro-detail thread (are you listening, Sean?), until Todd usurped him a couple of years later. Of course I may be wrong (I'm not...I just looked and his first post at Autopia was 3/28/2006). How young and innocent we all were back then.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Honestly, I don't even think Todd was a member of Autopia at the time Bill D was espousing his method in 2005. At that time GSRStilez was the master of the well-photographed pro-detail thread (are you listening, Sean?), until Todd usurped him a couple of years later. Of course I may be wrong (I'm not...I just looked and his first post at Autopia was 3/28/2006). How young and innocent we all were back then.
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I was actually referring to GD mostly getting the credit for it after posting that how-to video many years ago. At the time I'd already seen Todd doing the same thing at least a couple years earlier. In fact, it was seeing a post of Todd's that got me to try a MF towel to wash instead of a mitt and never used a mitt again.
 
RZJZA80 said:
I was actually referring to GD mostly getting the credit for it after posting that how-to video many years ago. At the time I'd already seen Todd doing the same thing at least a couple years earlier. In fact, it was seeing a post of Todd's that got me to try a MF towel to wash instead of a mitt and never used a mitt again.
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The first ONR video I remember was by Anthony Orosco, and I honestly don't remember what wash media he was using, but I know Optimum always (back in the day) recommended a MF towel. That video is lost to time, I think, Anthony was washing a Ferrari as I recall, to everyone's disbelief.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
The first ONR video I remember was by Anthony Orosco, and I honestly don't remember what wash media he was using, but I know Optimum always (back in the day) recommended a MF towel. That video is lost to time, I think, Anthony was washing a Ferrari as I recall, to everyone's disbelief.
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Well to be fair I thought it was a crazy product to begin with and didn't try it for a couple years after it was introduced until i finally got the nerve to try it out since I hate washing cars out in the sun so much but once I did I never did a traditional wash again lol
 
When I started on detailing forums in 2004, QEW was the only rinseless, it was an RV product, and people only used it in the winter in the garage, as the only way to wash at that time of year. It's still around.

When ONR came out people like Anthony and Scottwax, who were alpha and beta testers for Optimum, mainstreamed rinseless washing, but it took a long time to be accepted and take off.
 
I remember Scottwax, I wonder whatever happened to him? He used to say if he ever had to do a traditional wash again he'd quit detailing and get back into the restaurant business.
 
RZJZA80 said:
I remember Scottwax, I wonder whatever happened to him? He used to say if he ever had to do a traditional wash again he'd quit detailing and get back into the restaurant business.
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I understand he is just more frequently on Facebook now rather than forums. I don't think he ever posted here, just Autopia and MOL.
 
Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy
"bunch of towels in a bucket" method.

I assure you it's called the Garry Dean Wash Method unless you can produce a video showing the multiple towel method before Garry Dean
 
Real Riders said:
Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy
"bunch of towels in a bucket" method.

I assure you it's called the Garry Dean Wash Method unless you can produce a video showing the multiple towel method before Garry Dean
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You realize I can call it whatever I want, unless Garry has trademarked it and is restricting my use of it...in which case if I were you I would edit my post and insert a TM so Garry doesn't sue you. You also realize that YouTube had barely started in the time frame I'm talking about. I would venture a guess if Anthony Orosco still has that old ONR video, and if he's using an MF towel, I would wager he had more than one in the bucket. So I think for today, out of deference to Anthony, I'll call it the Anthony Orosco wash method. Maybe tomorrow it will be the Dr. G wash method. And if I have time, I think maybe I will look up Mosca's QEW thread from MOL from 2004, and see how many towels he used...so maybe it will wind up being the Tom Mosca method.
 
It would appear that Mosca's QEW tutorial was on Autopia and was a "Hall of Fame" thread, but it seems to have been corrupted in one of the forum migrations:

https://www.autopia.org/forums/guid...-56k-friendly-1-a.html?highlight=QEW+tutorial

However, here he is talking about it on the Miata forum...saying (in 2004, before there even was a YouTube) that other members had improved upon his technique by using MORE TOWELS...hmmm....(scroll down to post #10)

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=97096

Garry Dean was in Jr. High in 2004, wasn't he? I know I was still in High School back then (some people say I still am).
 
I am a 2 Bucket type of detailer! BLASPHEMY! In reality there really is no wrong way if done properly.
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
I am a 2 Bucket type of detailer! BLASPHEMY! In reality there really is no wrong way if done properly.
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I've done it every which way...or to quote Burt Reynolds from Smokey and the Bandit, when asked by Jerry Reed if he can drive a forklift..."I can drive any forkin' thing".
 
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