ONR or ONR Wash and WAX for maintenance Program?

Nothing shady going on here. Only clients whose cars I have detailed can sign up for this program. The Status Club is strictly a maintenance program. I keep track of all work done to clients vehicles and if it's time to reapply wax or sealant or just come in for a true detail, I will let them know. They will have to come to the shop for anything more than a rinsless wash.

Any wax in the products I use is going to just be an added bonus. It's more like an added layer of protection rather than the only protection. Their cars will most like already have Menzerna Power Lock, Max Wax, or D301 Finishing Wax.

On a side note, I think that us detailers get way to worked up over wax. It's really mostly for looks and only makes up for about 1% of the way a car looks. The other 99% comes from how well the paint is corrected.

True protection comes from something like Power Lock, which I try to sell most of my clients.
 
conthedon said:
If youre doing a program that varies from weekly, twice a month or monthly, as a customer if im paying for a wash n wax i would want something like optimum spray wax on my car. For a weekly maintained car ONRWW could be fine, but what if someone doesnt have any wax/sealant protection or its towards the end of its cycle and they want a wash n wax? I use ONRWW occasionally (mostly dedicate it to periodic winter use when i want to get a little more wax on my car when applying wax in cold temps is not possible).

I'm sure ONRWW doesnt have remotely enough wax to sell to what a customer would expect from hearing wash and wax (more for a weekly reapplication), if its not explained to the customer the difference between paying for ONRWW and a typical wash n wax with at least a spray wax, or if youre charging a similar price to a typical wash n wax, I would find that a little shady. That being said I would stick with ONR and get a gallon of optimum Spray Wax..and as a business stand point it wouldnt add much time at all to the wash as u can apply it right after you do the rinseless (while the car is wet) or quickly after the car is dried..side note 20 minutes sounds awfully fast to complete a car if only one person is working on it.
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20 minutes probably is a little ambitious. 30 is probably more realistic. . .especially counting unloading and loading time. Good point.
 
statusdetailing said:
Nothing shady going on here. Only clients whose cars I have detailed can sign up for this program. The Status Club is strictly a maintenance program. I keep track of all work done to clients vehicles and if it's time to reapply wax or sealant or just come in for a true detail, I will let them know. They will have to come to the shop for anything more than a rinsless wash.

Any wax in the products I use is going to just be an added bonus. It's more like an added layer of protection rather than the only protection. Their cars will most like already have Menzerna Power Lock, Max Wax, or D301 Finishing Wax.

On a side note, I think that us detailers get way to worked up over wax. It's really mostly for looks and only makes up for about 1% of the way a car looks. The other 99% comes from how well the paint is corrected.

True protection comes from something like Power Lock, which I try to sell most of my clients.
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statusdetailing said:
20 minutes probably is a little ambitious. 30 is probably more realistic. . .especially counting unloading and loading time. Good point.
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You could be the flash lol (or have another helper) just sounded like the shortest time ive seen someone post. Well if youre charging the same price as your current ONR rinseless and ONRWW would just be an "added bonus" for wash and wax, as a business standpoint although ONRWW is another great optimum product, id personally skip it since ONR does the job and $10 more per gallon isnt necessary, especially if your clients have wax/sealant already on the car.

Instead i would use a quick detailer (i use optimum instant detailer and gloss enhancer and dilute 1 part concentrate to 3.5-4 water to completely avoid overapplication/streaks) as a booster which will have more of a dramatic effect on appearance/surface of the car and for the client. Plus at 1 gallon making 4.5-5 gallons at that ratio, for roughly $50, you can't go wrong.
 
I wasn't implying it was, just that I have seen people market a wash and wax soap as an actual hand wash and then a wax or "a waxy layer of protection" etc...
 
Have you considered carrying water and a pressure washer? I realize rinseless washes are the new thing but I feel a PW just cleans a car more effectively, plus I don't like to heavily soil up my nice MF towels.

Just an idea,

Small tank in the back of the SUV (gravity driven). Get a PW like the Mytee Hog or something like it. Foam cannon, 2 bucket wash, rinse & wax.
 
ThomasonCarCare said:
I use Chemical Guys Ecopod for my maintenance program along with V7 and my customers love it. Once you get the shine the V7 keeps it looking good for a while. You will not be dissapointed.
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I must try the v7, I only hear good things about it and I'm a CG'S freak:)
 
Same as Jeremy, I have my "club membership" (although I don't call it that) in which I track and recommended when a service would be required. It is up to the client to accept or refuse the recommendation.

In any case, I perform mostly rinseless ONRWW on all my maintenance washes, unless they are filthy... then I break out the foam cannon! To appease my clientele that what I do will not downgrade our maintenance agreement I guarantee my LSP for minimum of 4 months (if I am the only one doing the maintenance on their vehicle) and will reapply FREE of charge, if beading and shedding is not to my expectations, or does not meet their expectations. They are explained that the ONRWW and V7 products (or other products I may decide to use or sample) are only used to "boost" the LSP, but there is no deceptive practice when it comes to marketing the products are UV protection, or equal to a sealant/wax or.....

So far (100s of washes later), not a single client has complained at the state of the vehicle on delivery, and I have had more compliments about the fact that their cars stay cleaner longer (comparing to the previous detailer they used)
 
anonymoususer said:
If someone is paying you and you're advertising wash and wax, it should be some sort of dedicated LSP whether its a spray sealant, OCW, paste wax, or anything!
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At first all the responses made sense, but looking at this from a customer standpoint, they should see you doing something on top of a wash.

:props:
 
BradsDetailing said:
I wasn't implying it was, just that I have seen people market a wash and wax soap as an actual hand wash and then a wax or "a waxy layer of protection" etc...
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No worries. I know what you're talking about, and it's wrong. A true wash and wax should be a wash and then a hand or machine applied carnauba. I would definitely charge more for that.
 
statusdetailing said:
No worries. I know what you're talking about, and it's wrong. A true wash and wax should be a wash and then a hand or machine applied carnauba. I would definitely charge more for that.
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Just to clear this up--you aren't selling/advertising your maintenance program as a "wash and wax", are you? Because if you're not, then all this repeated posting about you "gypping" the customer by not doing a "real" wax is just a waste of bandwidth.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Just to clear this up--you aren't selling/advertising your maintenance program as a "wash and wax", are you? Because if you're not, then all this repeated posting about you "gypping" the customer by not doing a "real" wax is just a waste of bandwidth.
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:dblthumb2: Glad you summed it up, because we all know that Jeremy would not do that. :nomore:
 
This is just another of those threads where it seems that the posters aren't really reading or understanding the topic...the topic wasn't "Am I ripping off customers by using ONRWW for a wash and wax?", the topic was "I'm providing a maintenance wash for my good customers shall I use ONR or ONRWW?"
 
Spray waxes and spray sealants were brought into the mix which is why I commented on it.
 
If you don't want to add any additional sprays into your ONRWW mix, i'd advertise it as an All-in-One wash/wax, then you wont have people going " well i didn't see u apply any wax, you're ripping me off".

I say go for the ONRWW.
 
GenesisCoupe said:
If you don't want to add any additional sprays into your ONRWW mix, i'd advertise it as an All-in-One wash/wax, then you wont have people going " well i didn't see u apply any wax, you're ripping me off".

I say go for the ONRWW.
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Setec Astronomy said:
This is just another of those threads where it seems that the posters aren't really reading or understanding the topic...the topic wasn't "Am I ripping off customers by using ONRWW for a wash and wax?", the topic was "I'm providing a maintenance wash for my good customers shall I use ONR or ONRWW?"
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:iagree:

My clients aren't stupid. They are very successful people and I explain to them that any wax in the product is mostly for looks. It ads a small amount of protection on top of what I already applied. I feel that if the vehicle is already sealed, something like onrww every week or other week is definitely an added benefit.

I don't know how this thread got so far off. It really was just about whether I should use onr or onrww. haha. It's not a big deal. I know everybody has good intentions.
 
Lol to be fair spray wax was mentioned in a reply which probably what led to the business aspect of wash n wax comments/confusion. But again if you don't mind having another bottle but with no significant time added to the wash, and more bang for buck/value since you're running a business.. I would recommend the ONR and instant detailer and gloss enhancer combo, over onrww based on value, protection/slickness and gloss appearance.
 
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