ONR question

Basically looking to see if it is like d114. The main reason why people seemed to like it was because it didn't leave anything behind.

I didn't get on the d114 bandwagon before they discontinued it.

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Leaves a little amount of polymers behind.
 
Poorboy Spay and Wipe doesn't leave anything behind I believe.

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I'm not really in the camp that thinks this is important. ONR is not a rinseless that has a "wax" in it...and whatever it leaves behind doesn't interfere with anything else you would do, short of a coating, in which case you would be doing some sort of wipedown (as you would even if you were using D114). If you're hung up on this, PBMG is working on a D114 replacement; since they are doing Beta testing now, I'd look for it in January or February.
 
rmcnamara said:
Basically looking to see if it is like d114. The main reason why people seemed to like it was because it didn't leave anything behind.

I didn't get on the d114 bandwagon before they discontinued it.

Thanks
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In regard to a comparison between D114 and ONR, lately I have been using the latter as a substitute for the former. ONR may not be a one-to-one replacement for D114, but it fulfills a similar function - clean a surface and not much else.

Last week I used M205 to reduce minor defects on my Challenger. I only had a couple hours (maybe less) a night to do it and it ended up taking three or four days.

At the beginning of each session the vehicle was "dirty" with 24 hours' worth of dust and miscellaneous debris build-up. This caused me to have to clean the paintwork before I could work on my little enhancement job. I chose to use regular ONR Wash and Shine to pre-soak and rinseless wash every section that needed attention that evening.

Did ONR "leave behind" anything to hinder the polishing process? Absolutely not. Did it harm the application and bonding of the wax that eventually saw each surface? Well, if it did I'll eat my hat. :)

To reiterate, ONR isn't the same as D114, but it can preform similarly as a preparatory product prior to refinishing or enchantment jobs.
 
WG Uber Rinseless has never left enough of anything behind to affect any of the LSP's (sealants/waxes) I've applied in the last 8 months. They all seem to have looked and held up just fine, although like many around here, I'm not pushing their limits. Does Uber leave something behind? Uh-huh. Gloss!
 
I have been using ONR for a couple of years now. The only thing I notice that it leaves behind is a nice, clean car and a lower water bill. That makes me very happy.
 
ONR does leave some polimers behind but not enough to really affect the bonding of any wax or sealant. The polimers are also easily removed with a simple IPA or other panel wipe.

The problem with rinseless shampoos is that most of them have some sort of wax content or gloss enhancers. The only "pure" rinseless shampoo other than D114 that Ive found on the market is Wolfs chemicals mean green.

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Just remember that Garry Dean made a rinseless wash called Ghost for which he says leaves nothing behind.
 
Opti said:
Just remember that Garry Dean made a rinseless wash called Ghost for which he says leaves nothing behind.
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Well, it must have died and gone to heaven, because I've never heard of it. IMO anything that you put on your car that you don't rinse off is going to leave something behind. If you can wipe off D114 (or "Ghost") without leaving anything behind, what is protecting your paint (from wash induced marring) while you are wiping?

I'll remind you that conventional washes are full of additives that adhere to the paint even AFTER rinsing, and thanks to some members using the scientific method (thanks, Swanic) we've proven that Dawn, which for years was used to "strip" products and leave "nothing" behind, was actually found to be adhering to the surface and to other products on the surface (a characteristic designed to keep your dishes from getting water spots), so rather than actually stripping sealants, it was simply adding something to the surface while leaving what was already there.

Think about that for a minute...members wanted to change their sealant, so they decided to strip it off with a Dawn wash and apply another sealant. They washed with Dawn and got a surface with absolutely no beading, so they presumed all LSP had been removed, then went ahead and applied their new sealant, not to the bare paint, but to a layer of Dawn polymers that was on top of their old sealant that was on top of the paint.

And you're worried about ONR leaving something behind?

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/60869-menzerna-powerlock-little-test.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/66896-lsp-stripping.html
 
Nah...the Garry dean stuff isnt on the market yet. Its soon to be.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
If you can wipe off D114 (or "Ghost") without leaving anything behind, what is protecting your paint (from wash induced marring) while you are wiping?
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This part here doesn't exactly make sense.^

Just think about it, does shaving cream need to leave anything behind in order to protect your face from getting nicked by your razor? No. It protects your skin at the same time you're taking it off just fine. So what's so impossible for the same rules to apply to rinseless wash? It is after all, "rinseless wash". And if you don't have to rinse it off for it to be all gone, then that's all there is to it.


Btw, your paint doesn't need a whole lot of protection for the few seconds it's being wiped clean, because afterall, it's clean. Plus any decent microfiber towel doesn't scratch paint as long as you're doing it right.


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