ONR vs N-914

Coatingsarecrack said:
Kinda felt “greasy” to me. Tried about 5 times and switch back to N-914
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Hmmm. I’ve got a gallon of Uber SiO2 Rinseless and Waterless. I prespray panels for extra lubrication with the waterless and wash with the rinseless. I used that the most last year and threw N-914 in every few weeks/month as well as a Reset thorough wash periodically. I’ll have to pay more attention to the differences between Uber SiO2 and N-914.
 
dgage said:
Hmmm. I’ve got a gallon of Uber SiO2 Rinseless and Waterless. I prespray panels for extra lubrication with the waterless and wash with the rinseless. I used that the most last year and threw N-914 in every few weeks/month as well as a Reset thorough wash periodically. I’ll have to pay more attention to the differences between Uber SiO2 and N-914.
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This was 3 years back with traditional Uber. I have yet to try Sio2 verson as i still have a half gallon of N-914, Griots BFRW, Ech20 not to mention 5 bottles of Frothe.

When I do order some more RW this is on my list.


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I'm gonna cheat and cut and paste most of my reply on this thread from the sister site, but added some revisions -

I feel like sharing my experience with the two requires the preface "The version of ONR I have", since I don`t know how to identify what generation formula it is (I think the bottle says "new formula", but what does that even mean without a date?).

I bought ONR when it was a real forum darling (here and on AG). I feel like love for it waned for a while and it seems to be having a resurgence (at least regarding how much it gets talked about - I know the people that love it never stop loving it). It`s definitely a great product to have on hand, but ironically of all the things to use it for, Rinseless washing is the last thing I do with it. I stopped using it for that after confirming that the car accumulated more bonded road film when I was using ONR vs other rinseless washes or other wash types with the same LSP (If memory serves, I was high on Optimum at the time so I believe it was Opti-Seal, though I think this happened with others as well).This was based on car appearance, not what was showing up on the wash media FWIW.

Accumulator said:
Ah, interesting info! FWIW...

Maybe the more recent formulations are different from what I have, but my ONR *absolutely* leaves [something] behind. After a few years of using it as my household dusting spray, the items I`ve used it on have a shiny/slick/"just waxed" effect that`s impossible to disregard.

Similarly, whenever I used that version of ONR (by itself) on wheels, they were a *bear* to clean the next time!

So at least some versions do leave stuff behind, and/but whether that`s a bug or a feature is situational/subjective.
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My experience echoes yours regarding how it does leave something behind (your wheels being harder to clean sounds like my road film issue).

My most frequent use for ONR these days is as a floor cleaner at home - hardwood/linoleum/tile, it works well to clean but not leave the floor so slick that either my 7yo or either Great Dane mix are yard sailing every time they hit the hard floor.

It does work well for melting people funk off of hard plastics (turn signal/wiper stalks, light switches, etc). I like the ONR WW better for doing wood trim inside cars.

I also use it all the time at work after I`ve done a major underhood repair to clean and "dress" the underhood plastics - leaves everything looking fresh but not greasy. This is on civilian cars; If I had someone that actually looked like they actually had their car some level of detailed I wouldn`t mess with something that could leave something behind.

For N-914, it`s worked fine for me. I think the Griot's Brilliant finish actually has a little more cleaning power when each is mixed at their prescribed rinseless ratio. N-914 is what I reach for when I want to really feel like I didn't leave anything behind. (Yes, Feynlab Pure Rinseless is on my "Future Acquisition" list...)

I actually prefer the experience with the Griot`s Brilliant Finish Rinseless slightly better (just seems to final wipe easier for me), though I`m not 1000% sure that the Griot`s in fact leaves nothing behind. I`ve used the Griot`s as a glass cleaner for the house and it seemed like there was more water beading than you`d expect for plain ol house glass, but truth be told I don`t remember what I used prior (that could have left something behind. I've been known to experiment with different ways of cleaning the glass on the house. I also feel like Sonax Glass cleaner may also leave something, but again I`ve not done any scientific testing).

That being said, even if the Griot`s is leaving a dash of something behind, I`ve not had any change in water behavior of the LSP nor the road film issue I had with ONR, so it`s nothing that would ever stop me from using it.

The OG Wolfang Uber Rinseless (non SIo2) had the Beadmaker dilemma for me - looked great, notably more dust accumulation vs other rinselesses.
 
I've only used Griot's and Optimum No Rinse, and both worked very well for me. I only use rinseless washes for interior detailers now and inside the house for various things like floors etc. They've eliminated my need for an interior detailer, most of which are alcohol based. I like the way ONR cleans windows and interior trim.

ONR was reformulated I think in 2021 or 2020 when Dr. G. came back from his temporary leave.

ONR does leave polymers behind, that are supposedly not substantial and go away after a very short period of time. I would never use ONR for a panel wipe for those reasons.
 
NJNinja said:
... I like the way ONR cleans windows and ...
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That's another one I could never learn to love ONR for. No matter what dilution I tried, you could see ghosting of dirt/smudges/residue when the window was still slightly wet (or if you fogged the glass). I didn't want to worry about sending glass out that would come back because it showed streaks/etc under certain conditions, so I've just stuck to glass cleaners. For the real tough ones, paint prep solutions work well to cut through the funk.
 
I just happened to see Rag Company's TRCMA2022 livestream or whatever from yesterday and they had about a 20min segment with Dr. G. from OPT and he said that ONR was recently reformulated. I don't think he was talking about the last formula from a couple of years ago; this sounded like a new formula that will either be released soon or has just been released. As oneheadlight points out it's kind of tough to distinguish between different versions, but the last version we all know of had a gold sticker on it saying the formula was new.

Wish they did a v1, v2, v3 type of thing with their labeling.
 
Just for histories sake there was a reformulation in the mid 2000s as well

Maybe 2005-2006

I remember my second gallon had a gold sticker with some blurb about new and improved or something


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Just a thought. If you`re using a rinseless wash, isn`t having a product that that can encapsulate the dirt and drop it to the bottom what you want? Just because another rinseless wash feels slicker or leavings nothing behind isn`t necessarily what makes a good rinseless wash. Why not use a quick detailer then? I thought the point was you want that dirt to fall out of suspension to the bottom, not a product that just feels slick to use. Those are a dime a dozen. :dunno:
 
NJNinja said:
Just a thought. If you`re using a rinseless wash, isn`t having a product that that can encapsulate the dirt and drop it to the bottom what you want? Just because another rinseless wash feels slicker or leavings nothing behind isn`t necessarily what makes a good rinseless wash. Why not use a quick detailer then? I thought the point was you want that dirt to fall out of suspension to the bottom, not a product that just feels slick to use. Those are a dime a dozen. :dunno:
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I get what you're saying about dirt encapsulation, and dropping dirt in the bucket, but a lot of us that do rinseless never put the wash media back in the bucket for the dropping part to matter.

The slickness comes in to feeling comfortable that there's enough lubricity for the wash media to safely pass over the surface while collecting what dirt is present.

For what ONR gained in "points during use" for encapsulation, for me it lost them in cleaning ability compared to other rinseless washes. I honestly didn't care that it didn't feel as slick as I gave optimum the benefit of the doubt that it was doing it's job, and even though it wasn't as slick it was still safe.

But other rinseless washes got the surface cleaner with less attention required as far as number of passes/etc.

Why not a quick detailer? That's a different type of cleaning method.

Sorry, not trying to argue! Just sharing my thoughts/experiences from all the different stuff I've tried.
 
No, I appreciate the feedback, thank you. Appreciate it. :xyxthumbs:
 
NJNinja said:
No, I appreciate the feedback, thank you. Appreciate it. :xyxthumbs:
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As I was typing that out, I was like "Oh, boy - I hope this isn't coming across as combative. We're all friends here!" :D
 
Yeah just like with LSP’s i feel slickness doesn’t mean much. WG uber and DP rinseless feel slicker than GBFRW and N914 but felt greasy to me.

Also felt the others cleaned better for me.


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NJNinja said:
Just a thought. If you`re using a rinseless wash, isn`t having a product that that can encapsulate the dirt and drop it to the bottom what you want? Just because another rinseless wash feels slicker or leavings nothing behind isn`t necessarily what makes a good rinseless wash. Why not use a quick detailer then? I thought the point was you want that dirt to fall out of suspension to the bottom, not a product that just feels slick to use. Those are a dime a dozen. :dunno:
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This test was completely unscientific. This does not mean N914 doesn’t encapsulate. Then chemist is the one to ask.

I read some of the comment on the Optimum forum and some are ridiculous. Brand loyalty has the ability to give someone tunnel vision.

Another example is feynlab pure rinseless that behaves like N914 when applied to the panel.

Multiple ways to accomplish the same thing.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Kinda felt “greasy” to me. Tried about 5 times and switch back to N-914


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That’s exactly how it feels/what it does when you use it as claylube at anything higher than the recommended dilution.

It ruined my claymitt the 1 time I tried it.
 
While I’ve also moved on from ONR (prefer N914/Feynlab/M37SiO2), I still like it around the house like some of you.

I keep a 5 gallon bucket (w/gamma seal lid) filled with ONR and a dozen Griots microfiber utility towels in my laundry room. They work great for keeping shoes clean. A quick wipe down of just about any type of shoe removes the surface dirt and grime and keeps them looking new. Leaving a little polymer behind to make cleaning easier the next time is a bonus.

Give it a try, you will like it if you like having your shoes look fresh too .
 
The Guz said:
This test was completely unscientific. This does not mean N914 doesn’t encapsulate. Then chemist is the one to ask.

I read some of the comment on the Optimum forum and some are ridiculous. Brand loyalty has the ability to give someone tunnel vision.

Another example is feynlab pure rinseless that behaves like N914 when applied to the panel.

Multiple ways to accomplish the same thing.
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An experiment was performed, and an observation occurred. That is the foundation of the scientific method.

Honestly, the comments on that posts weren't really any more "ridiculous" than the utterance from the anti-ONR crowd. I honestly don't know why people care so much about it either way.

What other people use for a rinseless wash has less than zero effect on what I do, and I'd wager that whatever I use isn't going to impact anyone else's rinseless wash selection.
 
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