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Well after all the talk about ONR I decided to get some and mixed it for clay lube and I have to say is this stuff is awsom! You get a whole gallon of lube from only 2 ounces! Next I am going to try the quick detailer mix when I get an empty gallon jug.......Just have a quick question for you guys about using ONR as a waterless wash, which microfiber towels work best for a waterless wash with ONR? And do you keep dunking and rinsing the same towel or do you use a new towel on each panel? Has anyone see a decent how to video on using no rinse because I cant seem to find a good how to video on ONR! We never had a need around here to conserve water but I kinda like the idea of not having to worry about water regulations and water runoff when I do a customers cars especially because they change the laws every day and it is hard to keep up with all of the new regulations. Thanks!

Dave
 
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One clarification, ONR is a rinseless wash, not a waterless wash.

I personally use the same wash media for the entire vehicle. I typically use two large drying towels per vehicle, One for the first pass and a second one to finish the drying process.

Several videos are posted on youtube, but I think this write-up by Calgary Detail is one of the best tutorials I have seen.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-forum/10585-onr-how-to.html
 
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I use either a Lowes (home improvement stores) grout sponge, or a microfiber chenile washmit. I use one for the entire car unless I drop it, then I grab a new one. I usually start on the top and work my way down, front bumper last since it's got all the little fun bugs. Also I do the 2 bucket method with it yet when I wash, and use some make shift grit guards (I need to order some when they go BOGO again, Meghan PM when that happens I'll be in Europe the next 3 week so won't be able to check daily). I then use Cobra HD Guzzlers to dry each panel, I'll use 1 to 1 1/2 when I do it this way. When I do wheels, I use a old wash mit, and my old junk towels. I know a few people may cringe, but I do the wheels last when I do a ONR wash so I can use the same ONR solution that I used on the whole car, and not waste it.

Scottwax has some good vids on Youtube for how to do some things with ONR, check out his wheel cleaning vids with ONR, that's how I learned. I just don't use the Power Clean stuff since it's an expensive APC.

Hope that helps.

Also when I do the 2 bucket method, I use 3 gallons of water, and 3 capfuls of ONR for it just cause the 2 bucket method seems to dilute the solution a bit at regular 2 gallons to 2 capfuls.
 
+1 on nrengle's response. except I'm not creative enough to make my own gritgitters...lol and I usually use 2 wash media (GS or MF Mitt). at the end of washing drying the car, I toss a MF towel into the ONR bucket and use that for wheels, then clean the exhaust tips. done
 
I'm with nrengle and dub on using ONR, I love the Proline grout sponge from lowes, and its under 2 bucks!
 
The grout sponges for ONR washings that you can buy from Lowes or Home Depot are crap.

I only use the Lake Country Grout Sponges as they have tons of the tiny foam fingers to pull the dirt into the sponge, hiding the dirt from instilling new swirls in the finish. This is especially important for waterless washes with ONR.

Here is my process:
1.) 2oz ONR in a wash bucket with 4 gallons of water.
2.) Dunk my wash sponge in the bucket and then wring it out about half-way dry.
3.) Start washing one panel with sponge with light pressure.
4.) Once the panel is done, I use a YELLOW waffle weave microfiber drying towel to dry most of the panel and pick up any remaining dirt.
5.) Then I take a BLUE waffle weave drying towel and wipe down once more for 100% dryness.

Then I'll keep repeating this exact process for every panel on the vehicle until the entire vehicle has been cleaned. I use two different towels and specified them separately because the YELLOW waffle weave towel gets very wet very quickly so it stops being able to dry up the panel completely, and that's where the BLUE waffle weave towel comes in. As you go along the vehicle and you feel that the YELLOW towel is too wet and/or dirty, you can just swap it out for a new towel.

Obviously, you can use whatever colors you want for the drying towels or no colors at all. This was just to make it easier for you to understand. Now that I've gotten much better at ONR washes, I can actually wash one large area of the vehicle at a time and then move onto the next area.

I won't explain how I do my wheels because I have typed enough for now and I shall post that process later on tonight.
 
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I still have a hard time understanding how a grout sponge with no nap can safety clean paint. To me, if everyone who uses it claims it works and you accept that, then I think everyone's perception of how swirls get induced during washing has to be revisited.

Of course, products like ONR and DP's RW&G have no lubricity like soap (that slick feeling between your fingers) yet I know they work. I think there is more myths in washing than facts and we already know suds does not really improve cleaning (some claim it hinders since it changes the dilution).

Where is the science?
 
Emile said:
The grout sponges for ONR washings that you can buy from Lowes or Home Depot are crap.
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FWIW, My rinseless wash media has been pretty varied over the last couple of years of use.
Cotton chenille mitt, cotton chenille covered sponge, sea sponge, The Bone MF covered sponge, MF mitt, MF towel, and I haven't noticed any real difference in the overall results. There is a difference in the way they work during use, but for me it was just a matter of learning how to use each one. At this time I'm using the Bone most often, but would not have any reservations about using any of the others.
Bunky said:
I still have a hard time understanding how a grout sponge with no nap can safety clean paint. To me, if everyone who uses it claims it works and you accept that, then I think everyone's perception of how swirls get induced during washing has to be revisited.

Of course, products like ONR and DP's RW&G have no lubricity like soap (that slick feeling between your fingers) yet I know they work. I think there is more myths in washing than facts and we already know suds does not really improve cleaning (some claim it hinders since it changes the dilution).

Where is the science?
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For me the science is covered in your last paragraph, "I know they work".
I don't have any idea how or why and am content with that.
Rinseless or waterless washing goes against the ideas I have had for a lot of years, but they definitely do work.
I now have enough confidence in them that almost all of my washes are either rinseless or waterless.
 
Thanks for all the help guys!!!!.....anyone ever used a sea sponge with ONR?
 
CharlesW said:
FWIW, My rinseless wash media has been pretty varied over the last couple of years of use.
Cotton chenille mitt, cotton chenille covered sponge, sea sponge, The Bone MF covered sponge, MF mitt, MF towel, and I haven't noticed any real difference in the overall results. There is a difference in the way they work during use, but for me it was just a matter of learning how to use each one. At this time I'm using the Bone most often, but would not have any reservations about using any of the others.

For me the science is covered in your last paragraph, "I know they work".
I don't have any idea how or why and am content with that.
Rinseless or waterless washing goes against the ideas I have had for a lot of years, but they definitely do work.
I now have enough confidence in them that almost all of my washes are either rinseless or waterless.
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BackdraftDJP said:
Thanks for all the help guys!!!!.....anyone ever used a sea sponge with ONR?
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Sure have!
And it works great.
Neither ONR nor DP RW&G seem to be finicky about the wash media used. If it works for a conventional wash, chances are it will work for a rinseless wash.
I have not used the ShMITT or LC foam wash mitts so I can't say how they work.
 
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