Onrww I believe ....I believe!!!!! Do you??

[jjj]

I just got through doing 600mile round trip to Appalachia ky and back home. I was there when the ice storm hit. I drove back through snow ice and all the brine and salt that was thrown on the highways. My car got filthy!!! Crusty doesn't describe it. It was caked with the solid and liquid mixtures from the multiple states transportation departments. I am a onr fan! Have been for a while. This was thicker than what I usually to rinseless and waterless wash. It was a little risky but I had faith ; ) I used onrww, Gary dean method. I used pinnacle liquid crystal for my pre soak. My tires were simple silk shine from Cg. I used the wash combo in all, I mean all of my car windows and wheels. My car has coly 845 and souveran paste on it right now, which probably helped. Anyway here are the pics:

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All I can say is I am thrilled to be able to use a product like this and not be worried that I will damage my paint. If you have not made a purchase of onrww I highly recommend it!

 

[Bill1234]

I dont get it today. We will try to protect the enviroment, but we will use poisons and other harmful substances that will harm us and our vehicles

 

[Fishincricket]

I dont get it today. We will try to protect the enviroment, but we will use poisons and other harmful substances that will harm us and our vehicles

You mean road salts and stuff? Imagine how many accidents there would be without them.. ?

 

[swanicyouth]

You mean road salts and stuff? Imagine how many accidents there would be without them.. ?

+1

Just wondering, do you pre-rinse (hose / pressure washer) before your ONR wash? Or just soak it down with waterless wash?

 

[jjj]

+1

Just wondering, do you pre-rinse (hose / pressure washer) before your ONR wash? Or just soak it down with waterless wash?

Soak each panel for couple of minutes. I spray half the car and work each panel. If the crud was a lot thicker per rinse. I used warm water in my bucket.

 

[FUNX650]

I dont get it today. We will try to protect the enviroment, but we will use poisons and other harmful substances that will harm us and our vehicles

Dealing with the:
Environmental Effects...from treating the roadways with poisons/harmful substances such as:
Road-salt/rock-salt, calcium chloride/magnesium chloride<<<(highly corrosive),
potassium acetate, calcium magnesium acetate...Even sand...

And the resulting run-off of melting snow and ice into water systems and road-side vegetation...

And risks/destruction imposed upon other flora, fauna, fish, and fowl---ever hear of "salt-toxicosis"?...

Does not, IMHO...
Paint a true picture depicting us trying to protect the Environment.


Rather, as far as I'm concerned, it's this:

You mean road salts and stuff? Imagine how many accidents there would be without them.. ?

Bob

 

[bl3ujay07]

In the winters, I always go to a coin-op wash bay with a pressure washer, not necessarily for the paint but for the undercariage (if I spelled it correctly).

I usually spray the living hell out of the suspensions, the undercariage, and anywhere where two pannels meet. That way, I'm sure I'm getting all (as much as possible) the salt out. Rust starts on areas we don't see and eventually spreads to areas we do see. Also, I hate working on cars with rusty parts. I would THINK this would help slow down things from rusting.

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[weekendwarrior]

Some calcium and salt got into a roadside plant...or weed. Versus hundreds of gallons of burning gasoline and oil? I guess its the lesser of two evils.

 

[jjj]

I agree I usually wait several days because of what is left on road. I end up back at square one if I don't wait.

 

[Chris's FX4]

I'd rather deal with salt than with the idiots who immediately lose all sense of their driving abilities the minute a snow flake starts falling.

Using other stuff like sand can be just as bad as salt too. You should see all the sand on the streets up here, it never goes away. It's like the roads are right next a beach or something.

I usually spray the living hell out of the suspensions, the undercariage, and anywhere where two pannels meet. That way, I'm sure I'm getting all (as much as possible) the salt out. Rust starts on areas we don't see and eventually spreads to areas we do see. Also, I hate working on cars with rusty parts. I would THINK this would help slow down things from rusting.

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Everytime the salt/brine on you car gets wet, the rusting process starts. So, you need to make sure you are completely rinsing all of it off, and not just getting it wet again. That's why people are better off leaving all that stuff frozen on their car in dry form rather than thawing it all of in their heated garage.

 

[jjj]

Bad drivers is right. Saw 7+ wrecks and a ton of stranded and or abandoned vehix. I will spray undercarriage in few days. I just wanted to get outside looking good.

 

[jjj]

I can't believe with all the views no comments on how onrww did for the thick crusty grime removal and shine. I guess there are all believers here.

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[Klasse Act]

I've been a believer for a year now and even if I had a garage and hose I'd still use ONR over the "old school" method, I'm that sold. The hose does serve a purpose....rinse out the wheelwells and rinse the tires/wheels real good, that's it.

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[FUNX650]

I can't believe with all the views no comments on how onrww did for the thick crusty grime removal and shine. I guess there are all believers here.

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-Personally...I didn't really see any thick crusty grime on the vehicle,
at least not in any of the pictures you posted in your OP.

-Are you not ever concerned about introducing some type of "blemish" onto/into the CC...
by using a: "non-traditional car-washing method"??

-Ever wonder what the long-term affects on/in CC may be, by continually using
a non-traditional car-washing method...and not thoroughly washing/flushing
a vehicle's CC using the: "traditional car-washing method"?

I know I do.



Bob

 

[Johny B]

You mean road salts and stuff? Imagine how many accidents there would be without them.. ?

+1

 

[jjj]

-Personally...I didn't really see any thick crusty grime on the vehicle,
at least not in any of the pictures you posted in your OP.

-Are you not ever concerned about introducing some type of "blemish" onto/into the CC...
by using a: "non-traditional car-washing method"??

-Ever wonder what the long-term affects on/in CC may be, by continually using
a non-traditional car-washing method...and not thoroughly washing/flushing
a vehicle's CC using the: "traditional car-washing method"?

I know I do.



Bob

As far as worrying about cc I feel that I protect and protect with waxes sealants etc. traditional is just that traditional. The great thing about technology it helps evolve techniques and applications. I do use traditional when its available. Not bashing tradition just sharing experiences. As for the brine and salt grime you would have had to scrape it with ur finger nail. As stated in other posts not everyone likes rinseless waterless etc. just wanted to share and show.

Thanks

 

[FUNX650]

As far as worrying about cc I feel that I protect and protect with waxes sealants etc. traditional is just that traditional. The great thing about technology it helps evolve techniques and applications. I do use traditional when its available. Not bashing tradition just sharing experiences. As for the brine and salt grime you would have had to scrape it with ur finger nail. As stated in other posts not everyone likes rinseless waterless etc. just wanted to share and show.

Thanks

I'll admit that:
"Marketing-Hype" has evolved to be more technologically advanced.





Bob

 

[wanabe detailer]

I'll admit that:
"Marketing-Hype" has evolved to be more technologically advanced.





Bob

C'mon man that car was filthy and it turned out nice.

 

[jjj]

I'll admit that:
"Marketing-Hype" has evolved to be more technologically advanced.





Bob

Your right we should all go back to terry cloths and dish detergent and cover our eyes for the future.

 

[FUNX650]

Your right we should all go back to terry cloths and dish detergent and cover our eyes for the future.

^^^That's not even close to what I was inferring!!!^^^

I was suggesting that folks should always keep their eyes wide-opened and not fall for:
Today's...So much more readily available "Marketing Hype"...

Goes back to the old adage: Buyer Beware


Besides my thoughts on Waterless/QD'ing car washing sessions, and Rinseless car washing sessions:
Causing 'blemishes' to be inflicted on/in a vehicle's top coat paint-film...
No matter how careful one may be!!...

The following pretty much helps to summarize my feelings regarding any WW-QD/RW product:

Encapsulation of soils is indeed fundamental. The encapsulation is what is better known in other industries as anti-redeposition. The dirt is surrounded by surfactant molecules which have two ends - one attracted to water and the other to oil. The oil loving end (lipophile) basically sticks into the soil (most soils are oily) and the water loving end (hydrophile) dangles out in the water. With enough of these, the soil can be totally encapsulated and basically it becomes dissolved in water. This is a somewhat non-ionic process so soaps (which are ionic) operate a bit differently but this is a fair approximation.

Waterless or low water products really need something extra and this is where I am wary of them - not all such products actually incorporate that 'extra'. Think about it, the above is a process fundamentally concerned with oils. Yes, particulate soils can often be suspended because they are surrounded by oil which can in turn be surrounded by surfactant. However, this coating is not a rigid entity. Suspended particulate soils remain abrasive, the act of suspension is rarely adequate to stop a particle from abrading a surface when physical force is applied. Good practice would be to incorporate a component which inhibits the co-efficient of friction between any particulate matter and the surface. So now you have particulate matter which is suspended in the surface and a surface which may well actually repel particulate matter so effectively making it less abrasive.

Another point of for consideration/debate is that none of these products actually succeeds in total encapsulation. Were this the case, one would need only spray the product on and rinse (without contact). Whilst we can probably all appreciate that a high pressure wash will remove much of the dirt, it is very rarely completely efficient - a touchless wash remains a bit of an unreachable height in auto cleaning. What this tells you is that at least some of the dirt is still bonded to the surface after the wash product is applied. To remove it, one needs manual interaction so you are effectively 'ripping' unencapsularted dirt off the surface. Once in solution, it might become encapsulated quite rapidly but the unavoidable reality is that much of that dirt is briefly in contact with the surface with very little inhibiting the abrasive nature.

Bob