Onrww I believe ....I believe!!!!! Do you??

[conthedon]

jjj good job, ive been using optimum products for a few years and onrww doesnt disappoint. I am very particular about keeping my paint in good condition and onr/onrww does not create swirls, surface scratches, etc. There will always be doubters, but keep up the good work. Not to jack your thread, but here's a few cam shots from a previous thread of my experience to back up your post as I had salt/snow/dirt on the paint as well.

 

[spiralout462]

:iagree: Thanks for the post. I haven't been brave enough to try a waterless/rinsless technique on my soft black paint. I enjoy the traditional two bucket method. The convenience of a rinsless wash does not out weigh the stress in my mind. "Mr. Megane's" post provides some validation to my thinking.rops:

 

[conthedon]

But i would add waterless would seems sketchy to me besides using it in a similar way as a quick detailer (light dust/dirt etc), although im not familiar with this method. Also, i use a 2bucket method with a grout sponge and always pre hose the car off with water first, and in really heavy buildup pre rinse with onr.

 

[jjj]

I was suggesting that folks should always keep their eyes wide-opened and not fall for:
Today's...So much more readily available "Marketing Hype"...

Goes back to the old adage: Buyer Beware


Besides my thoughts on Waterless/QD'ing car washing sessions, and Rinseless car washing sessions:
Causing 'blemishes' to be inflicted on/in a vehicle's top coat paint-film...
No matter how careful one may be!!...

The following pretty much helps to summarize my feelings regarding any WW-QD/RW product:




Bob

I know you we're making a point, so was I. I understand the reservations about waterless etc, but that's what is great about this forum. We all have opinions, they are like a$$es we all have one. I do appreciate the different perspectives. I understand the science and all the theories of why waterless shouldn't work. I also understand the experience and science for the reason it does work. I have not in any way forced any imperfections / blemishes on the cars I have worked on. If this was the case I feel for all the California detailers who are on water limitations and the cream puffs they work on. I don't think this is the case. I agree to disagree. Thanks.

 

[jjj]

jjj good job, ive been using optimum products for a few years and onrww doesnt disappoint. I am very particular about keeping my paint in good condition and onr/onrww does not create swirls, surface scratches, etc. There will always be doubters, but keep up the good work. Not to jack your thread, but here's a few cam shots from a previous thread of my experience to back up your post as I had salt/snow/dirt on the paint as well.

Thanks by the way. Onrww has been a great product. Works good on your ride too I see.

 

[RLucky82]

What is the Gary dean method?

 

[CM8 6MT]

What is the Gary dean method?

I believe its using multiple towels instead of just 1. The idea is you never let a towel thats already been used to wipe the paint to re-touch a panel if that makes sense.

Heres a great how-to video by Roshan (ihaveacamaro) explaining the GDM more thoroughly.

m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Fr7JoC8ANog&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFr7JoC8ANog

 

[RLucky82]

OK, yeah I have done something similar in the past. I can for sure use this idea in the future when my hoses are frozen.
Thanks!

 

[jrs1418]

I was suggesting that folks should always keep their eyes wide-opened and not fall for:
Today's...So much more readily available "Marketing Hype"...

Goes back to the old adage: Buyer Beware


Besides my thoughts on Waterless/QD'ing car washing sessions, and Rinseless car washing sessions:
Causing 'blemishes' to be inflicted on/in a vehicle's top coat paint-film...
No matter how careful one may be!!...

The following pretty much helps to summarize my feelings regarding any WW-QD/RW product:




Bob

You must have stock in the local water company?

You're telling me that if any of us went up to your ride it would have brand new looking original factory clear coat with no swirls or marring? Please man. rops:

Be real over here. He drove this car 600 miles in the snow, its an obvious daily driver, not some show car. I dont get comments like yours, if the OP is happy with his results then so be it.

 

[HellaBroke]

I'd rather deal with salt than with the idiots who immediately lose all sense of their driving abilities the minute a snow flake starts falling.
.

This...
And when the city try's to go green they spray the sinthetic decider shtuff they always use it too late and never enough... Talk about accidents even studds slide on this she. Applied too late.
Ill take sand salt any day. My state wa is good at saving the animals any how. Limit sportsman and let natives take all they can...
I'm done sorry for pissing in someone's Cheerios this morning but you have no idea on the true BIG picture and long term effects of the crazy vs MOST states implement these days...

 

[FUNX650]

You must have stock in the local water company?

And the local power company as well!! rops:

To better serve this current posting of mine...I'll repeat:

I do use many, many different vehicle washing-methods...including RW/WW.

You're telling me that if any of us went up to your ride it would have brand new looking original factory clear coat with no swirls or marring? Please man. rops:

There's probably a total-tally of fewer blemishes on all of my vehicles combined...
Than you'll find on just one of yours. Don't you wish you were as fortunate as I am?

Anyway...Thanks for your concern regarding my vehicles' CC.

Be real over here. He drove this car 600 miles in the snow, its an obvious daily driver, not some show car. I dont get comments like yours

I'm not the one saying that I used a non-traditional/RW to remove road salt, snow/ice melters from my vehicle,
without inflicting any blemishes---swirls, scratches, marring...what ever you want to call them.

(Thinking out loud: I wonder why there's a very, very limited amount of RW/WW: "sun shots"....posted on this forum)
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

And...If you don't mind: Please refresh my memory...
I really don't believe I have ever asked you, in particular, to "get" any of my comments.

^^^(I don't relish the fact that I feel this way)^^^

if the OP is happy with his results then so be it.

:iagree:...That's all that matters in the long run.

To remove any doubts: I am very happy for the OP, as well.



Bob

 

[conthedon]

(Thinking out loud: I wonder why there's a very, very limited amount of RW/WW: "sun shots"....posted on this forum)

lolol is this a conspiracy theory? Why would anyone have the need to lie about the product? Optimum is not cutting anyone checks, if they were, then I'd lie lol. If JJJ created this thread to prove ONR doesnt cause blemishes I'm sure you'd get the specific sun shots. Otherwise, his purpose was to show how he got great results, and only his first person experience can tell people interested if the product/his technique caused any blemishes.

However, if ONR was unsafe or caused blemishes etc as you speculate it does, then really you'd see blemishes even in the shade in the form of thin hairline scratches. As to the autogeek forum as a whole on ONR, here's some shots that may help anyone inquiring about ONR and its effectiveness as a rinseless wash without causing blemishes (keep in mind my car is exposed to the harsh nyc elements all year so my car will never be showroom quality).

 

[Wes Bremec]

Too bad the the undercarriage will rust still. I'm more concerned with the underside of my vehicles in the winter. I think undercarriage rust prevention could potentially be an up sell. Check out the product called fluidfilm.

 

[conthedon]

...Feel better now?

Folks, this is a message board. Opinions are going to differ, and people are going to be staunch in their beliefs. The insinuation that one must own stock in their water company for supporting a traditional wash as a safer means of washing is silly. No one is disputing whether or not ONR works, the question at hand is the risk of marring that ONR poses vs a traditional wash. If you ask me, there is a higher risk. Does that mean that ONR might not be able to handle it? Nope. Does that mean that I'd rather err on the side of caution with a customer's vehicle? You bet your ass it does.

I believe ONR is great for mild to moderately contaminated vehicles, I do not believe it is the ultimate solution to exterior car care. Have fun rinseless washing baked on mud that adheres even after a pressure wash. Actually, that'd be a good test and put an end to the debate. Take a freshly corrected truck, go mudding, let it sit on there for a week, and then wash one half of the car in ONR, and the other half traditionally. Only problem would be finding someone willing to correct a car just for it to go mudding and prove a point... Which is why it's probably never going to happen, and in-tun, is why we all learn to accept other's views without getting upset and resorting to petty remarks.

In his defense, Fun is not stating he prefers a traditional wash over rinseless wash due to a decreased risk of marring or whatever reason, he stated that ONR causes blemishes no matter how careful one may be which is completely untrue. Nobody is using ONR to clean a muddy car lol, that's hardly a debate.

 

[RLucky82]

Wow, because I am utterly bored, I will ad my opinion. This is what happens when people believe in a method of doing which can be taken to an extreme. And in many cases rightfully so, but does this isolate a way of needing to be written in stone for everyone to follow exactly? No of course not! Do I believe that swirls can more easily induced using a rinsless wash? Hell yes I do. Does this mean that there is no use for rinsless wash? Lets take a walk in some other shoes, say I have a garage queen of a show car low miles scj428 Shelby or viper or pacecar Camaro whatever would I ever use rinsless waterless wash on one of those after driving home from a car show and getting caught in rain storm? Never! Now if i drove my 2005 Subaru Baja (1 of only 30,000 ever made) turbo even, from Cleveland to Ellicottville NY to go skiing for for the weekend at Holiday valley through slush and tons of road salt dumped on 200 miles of rt90 but I still wanted my trucklett to shine like a diamond for the weekend, would I bring along a waterless wash and use it? Sure! Even if, a few swirls wouldn't be the end of the world. And let me tell you its alot better then having somebody lean or rub up against your paint with road grit and salt caked on it!

Point is ww/rw has a purpose and it works. Can't we all just get along

 

[CM8 6MT]

Im pretty sure it all boils down to User Technique, regardless of using a traditional wash or rinseless/waterless.

For people that dont believe in rinseless/warerless washes, do you guys actually believe that companies like Optimum, Meguiar's & others with these types of products would put out their name on a product that defeats their purpose? I dont think so.

People dont understand that reputable companies test their products for months, sometimes years before they are released on the market. Its ALL about user technique, can tablesaws cut you? Yeah, so why do they make them? A seasoned user who knows how to SAFELY use that machine will not cut themselves. Same goes with a rinseless wash in this case, someone that knows how to safely use them will not scratch/swirl their car. Common sense needs to kick in and determine how dirty is too dirty for a rinseless. Unfortunately, you cant teach common sense.

 

[jjj]

I agree, technique is key. I've done research and have found what works best for me and my detailing. I absolutely believe in traditional two bucket method. It has done great. I also have found other methods from forums such as this one to make my vehix look great when traditional isn't an option. Rinseless /waterless have been great methods IMO. I enjoy seeing what other enthusiasts are doing to make their rides look great. I like to also see businesses that implement techniques to be efficient and successful. Conthedon was correct, I just wanted to show and share how the products worked for me. I do appreciate the positive feedback. I also appreciate the opposition. That is what makes this great. Different paths to get the desired results. I dig the fact that some are so loyal and stick behind their techniques. No problem there ; ). I will keep posting pics of results with the same intention!

 

[FUNX650]

I agree, technique is key. I've done research and have found what works best for me and my detailing. I absolutely believe in traditional two bucket method. It has done great. I also have found other methods from forums such as this one to make my vehix look great when traditional isn't an option. Rinseless /waterless have been great methods IMO. I enjoy seeing what other enthusiasts are doing to make their rides look great. I like to also see businesses that implement techniques to be efficient and successful. Conthedon was correct, I just wanted to show and share how the products worked for me. I do appreciate the positive feedback. I also appreciate the opposition. That is what makes this great. Different paths to get the desired results. I dig the fact that some are so loyal and stick behind their techniques. No problem there ; ). I will keep posting pics of results with the same intention!

^^^Excellent post, and insight...jjj!!!^^^ rops:



Bob

 

[conthedon]

Im pretty sure it all boils down to User Technique, regardless of using a traditional wash or rinseless/waterless.

For people that dont believe in rinseless/warerless washes, do you guys actually believe that companies like Optimum, Meguiar's & others with these types of products would put out their name on a product that defeats their purpose? I dont think so.

People dont understand that reputable companies test their products for months, sometimes years before they are released on the market. Its ALL about user technique, can tablesaws cut you? Yeah, so why do they make them? A seasoned user who knows how to SAFELY use that machine will not cut themselves. Same goes with a rinseless wash in this case, someone that knows how to safely use them will not scratch/swirl their car. Common sense needs to kick in and determine how dirty is too dirty for a rinseless. Unfortunately, you cant teach common sense.

completely agree. Optimum is an amazing brand in my opinion and ONR/ww is a great product, but as you stated technique and common sense needs to be applied when using a rinseless wash.