Opti Coat 2.0 - Most of my customers see no difference between coated and uncoated

[spinz]

I have applied Opti Coat 2.0 on 6 cars by far, for 6 different car owners, but every time when i walked them around the car and showing the final result, it seemed like they were only 90% satisfied with the result, because the before & after difference was not visually noticeable, no any obvious depth to the paint.

Here are few possibilities:
1. My application method(applicator wrapped in plastic wrap + suede microfiber cloth) is not good enough and there are better way of application.
2. My preparation steps (i always ensured the paint is corrected prior to coating) are not good enough.
3. My garage lighting is poor plus it was always night time when the owner came to collect their car.
4. The thickness of OC 2.0(Consumer Version) is actually thinner than OC(Pro Version), therefore the before & after difference is not visually noticeable under normal garage lighting.

Could anyone please add/elaborate based on the points above?
I'm extremely interested on point 4.


Also the owners always asked "Why it doesn't feel slick?".
My answer to this is "OC 2.0 is a clear resin coating, that's why it's not slick, but you can add slickness to the coating later by using spray detailer when it is fully cured."
I'm wondering if there is a better answer for this.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about OC 2.0, OC 2.0 is my favourite LSP, just saying that maybe i don't fully understand the nature of OC 2.0 and i need to improve the way i present this coating to the others.

Any thoughts?

 

[hernandez.art13]

the saying, doesn't know between a swirl and a squirrel comes to mind.

I am sure you did a superb job and sometimes you just have to let it be. I like to show customers clear coat failure and explain to them why and how it happens.

 

[RaskyR1]

If you're polishing it should be a pretty night an day difference to the customer, but Opti-Coat, as with most LSP's, add very little to the final look and it's really down to the polishing IMO. I'd suggest taking a picture on a 50/50 section so they can see the before and after.

 

[Evan.J]

I have applied Opti Coat 2.0 on 6 cars by far, for 6 different car owners, but every time when i walked them around the car and showing the final result, it seemed like they were only 90% satisfied with the result, because the before & after difference was not visually noticeable, no any obvious depth to the paint.

Here are few possibilities:
1. My application method(applicator wrapped in plastic wrap + suede microfiber cloth) is not good enough and there are better way of application.
2. My preparation steps (i always ensured the paint is corrected prior to coating) are not good enough.
3. My garage lighting is poor plus it was always night time when the owner came to collect their car.
4. The thickness of OC 2.0(Consumer Version) is actually thinner than OC(Pro Version), therefore the before & after difference is not visually noticeable under normal garage lighting.

Could anyone please add/elaborate based on the points above?
I'm extremely interested on point 4.


Also the owners always asked "Why it doesn't feel slick?".
My answer to this is "OC 2.0 is a clear resin coating, that's why it's not slick, but you can add slickness to the coating later by using spray detailer when it is fully cured."
I'm wondering if there is a better answer for this.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about OC 2.0, OC 2.0 is my favourite LSP, just saying that maybe i don't fully understand the nature of OC 2.0 and i need to improve the way i present this coating to the others.

Any thoughts?

How are you explaining and selling these customers on OC?

Who is typically buying the OC?

 

[aim4squirrels]

Are you showing them a fully corrected vehicle with no coating vs. A fully corrected vehicle with coating?

I can't tell a big difference between a car fully corrected with and without coating.

The OMG moment is months down the line when the car still looks as good as the day it was corrected.

You should probably tell the customers that you're going to make the car look great, and the OC will keep it that way for years as long as they wash it correctly.

 

[The Critic]

Two thoughts:

1) From what I've seen, Pro adds a noticeable gloss. 2.0, not so much.

2) Do a final polishing step with a very finishing polish, such as Reflect or SF4500. This will add a very noticeable gloss. It only adds a small amount of time and the difference will be very noticeable.

 

[mdgrwl]

I wouldn't show them a fully corrected car (then) show them the corrected car with coating. They wont see much a difference, heck I don't.

Just show them the final product, done, corrected and sealed. They will be wow'd.

 

[Rsurfer]

Also the owners always asked "Why it doesn't feel slick?".
My answer to this is "OC 2.0 is a clear resin coating, that's why it's not slick, but you can add slickness to the coating later by using spray detailer when it is fully cured."
I'm wondering if there is a better answer for this.

Any thoughts?

Most have been answered. You should have explained the slickness aspect when you first sold OC to them. Maybe they felt you didn't put anything on?

 

[pcw25]

Two thoughts:

1) From what I've seen, Pro adds a noticeable gloss. 2.0, not so much.

No to hijack this thread, but are there any noticeable differences in durability/performance between 2.0 and Pro?

 

[RaskyR1]

No to hijack this thread, but are there any noticeable differences in durability/performance between 2.0 and Pro?

OCP will leave a thicker film build so you can get away with doing a light polish (Poli-Seal/GPS) without compromising the coating, not likely the case with OC 2.0.

I was told 2.0 was actually different now and no longer just a watered down (more solvents) version of the pro.

 

[Radarryan]

Here's my dad's Aston Martin Vantage coated with Opti-Coat 2.0. While I think other coatings look better, I wouldn't say that I couldn't see a difference between the uncoated/coated.







See the full write up here:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/67791-aston-martin-vantage-polished-opti-coated.html

 

[Flash Gordon]

My selling point for permanent coatings is it's long life compared to traditional waxes. I wouldn't promise (or even mention) that the customers car will be glossier. Most people wouldn't see ANY difference if they were doing the work themselves IMO

 

[rustytruck]

The "wow" factor should be what you did to the car BEFORE you added Opti. The customers should understand what they are buying, you need to explain everything to them.

 

[MarkD51]

Ok you folks in the know, then please may I ask you all, these questions as I was considering buying Opti-Coat for its long life, and wanted to coat an upcoming set of custom wheels for my Tahoe with this product.

If, as you say, that Opti-Coat doesn't seem to add much gloss when applied, then what other coatings would you say would offer a superior shine, and perhaps offer similar longevity?

The others which I am thinking of would be 22ple, GTechniq C1/EXO, Carpro Cquartz? Or?

I already have both DP and Pinnacle GL Paint Coatings on hand, should I just use them instead?

I'm figuring if I can apply some type of coating that will at least provide 12 months or so minimum, I'll be happy. I don't believe I will achieve the degree of protection with either any conventional wax, or sealant.

What would you ultimately recommend for Wheels? They are supposedly Powder-Coated/Clear Coated.
Mark

 

[KillaCam]

If you're polishing it should be a pretty night an day difference to the customer, but Opti-Coat, as with most LSP's, add very little to the final look and it's really down to the polishing IMO. I'd suggest taking a picture on a 50/50 section so they can see the before and after.

This. /thread

 

[mg6045]

Opti-coat does very little for enhancing the "look" of the paint. While it does provide a difference its minimal.

If your looking for a wow factor after applying a coating you are better off with a glass coating like CQuartz or something similar. Those coating prove a huge difference in looks. very glassy look and they darken and richen the look of dark color paints, while at the same time making white cars look brighter and richer. So overall it does more for looks. and it also offers a polymer spray (reload) that leaves a super slick finish that you can provide to the customer for aftercare.

 

[MarkD51]

Opti-coat does very little for enhancing the "look" of the paint. While it does provide a difference its minimal.

If your looking for a wow factor after applying a coating you are better off with a glass coating like CQuartz or something similar. Those coating prove a huge difference in looks. very glassy look and they darken and richen the look of dark color paints, while at the same time making white cars look brighter and richer. So overall it does more for looks. and it also offers a polymer spray (reload) that leaves a super slick finish that you can provide to the customer for aftercare.

Running through a bunch of archived older posts-threads here this morning, I think something like CQuartz UK will be the product I'll choose for coating these new custom Wheels I supposed to be getting soon for the Tahoe. (hopefully soon!)

I'm not sure how far a 50ml bottle of CQuartz UK will go? Hopefully at least coat all four 22" wheels in and out, and maybe at least do the Hood, Sides, and Back of the truck also?

What do you folks think as to how far the 50ml Bottle will go? Or will I need more?
(I do have both Pinnacle GL and DP Paint Coatings which I could perhaps use on the Tahoe's Roof.

Whataya think folks?
Mark

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

If you're polishing it should be a pretty night an day difference to the customer, but Opti-Coat, as with most LSP's, add very little to the final look and it's really down to the polishing IMO. I'd suggest taking a picture on a 50/50 section so they can see the before and after.

Nailed it.

 

[spinz]

If you're polishing it should be a pretty night an day difference to the customer, but Opti-Coat, as with most LSP's, add very little to the final look and it's really down to the polishing IMO. I'd suggest taking a picture on a 50/50 section so they can see the before and after.

I was thinking the same, LSPs only add a very little to the final look. If so, that means my polishing skill still have a lot of room for improvement.

Well i did show them the 50/50 shot, here is one of the pic. icture:

How are you explaining and selling these customers on OC?

Who is typically buying the OC?

Usually car owner who just bought a new car is buying the OC.
My procedure --> Inspect the paint condition and show the paint imperfection to the customer > do a test spot and let the customer see the result > then customer will leave their car to me > at the end of the day customer will come back to collect the car > while walking around the car, i will tell customer that OC provide permanent protection and their car will stay new for years and years with just normal care.

Are you showing them a fully corrected vehicle with no coating vs. A fully corrected vehicle with coating?

I can't tell a big difference between a car fully corrected with and without coating.

The OMG moment is months down the line when the car still looks as good as the day it was corrected.

You should probably tell the customers that you're going to make the car look great, and the OC will keep it that way for years as long as they wash it correctly.

I showed them the fully corrected vehicle with coating.
Yes, i did tell the same to the customers.

Two thoughts:

1) From what I've seen, Pro adds a noticeable gloss. 2.0, not so much.

2) Do a final polishing step with a very finishing polish, such as Reflect or SF4500. This will add a very noticeable gloss. It only adds a small amount of time and the difference will be very noticeable.

1) Did you see any comparison photo between the Pro and Consumer(2.0)?
2) I have SF4500 in my arsenal but never really had the chance to perform this step.
Reason one - Most of the cars i polished were light colored(white/silver).
Reason two - As i know Jewelling is an optional step and it is time consuming, i only had about 8-9 hours for my detailing projects. Most of the time the owners want me to complete the project in a day.

I wouldn't show them a fully corrected car (then) show them the corrected car with coating. They wont see much a difference, heck I don't.

Just show them the final product, done, corrected and sealed. They will be wow'd.

I think next time i will try not to show them a fully corrected car then show them the corrected car with coating.

Most have been answered. You should have explained the slickness aspect when you first sold OC to them. Maybe they felt you didn't put anything on?

I explained the slickness aspect prior to coating.
Yes, they felt like i didn't put anything on it, that's what i hate about...

No to hijack this thread, but are there any noticeable differences in durability/performance between 2.0 and Pro?

I'm curious about this too, but i think RaskyR1 has answered your question below.

OCP will leave a thicker film build so you can get away with doing a light polish (Poli-Seal/GPS) without compromising the coating, not likely the case with OC 2.0.

I was told 2.0 was actually different now and no longer just a watered down (more solvents) version of the pro.

Do you mean 2.0 has more solvents than before, but still less than the pro?

Here's my dad's Aston Martin Vantage coated with Opti-Coat 2.0. While I think other coatings look better, I wouldn't say that I couldn't see a difference between the uncoated/coated.







See the full write up here:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ston-martin-vantage-polished-opti-coated.html

Thanks for sharing your work! I've got a question, how did you apply the OC 2.0?

My selling point for permanent coatings is it's long life compared to traditional waxes. I wouldn't promise (or even mention) that the customers car will be glossier. Most people wouldn't see ANY difference if they were doing the work themselves IMO

I did not mention the coating would add gloss, but the customers expected their car to be glossy. Sometimes they felt surprised by the fact that coating doesn't add much gloss. Again this comes to the topic "The difference between a swirl and squirrel". :laughing:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum.../23142-difference-between-swirl-squirrel.html

The "wow" factor should be what you did to the car BEFORE you added Opti. The customers should understand what they are buying, you need to explain everything to them.

My customers choose OC 2.0 because of its durability.

Opti-coat does very little for enhancing the "look" of the paint. While it does provide a difference its minimal.

If your looking for a wow factor after applying a coating you are better off with a glass coating like CQuartz or something similar. Those coating prove a huge difference in looks. very glassy look and they darken and richen the look of dark color paints, while at the same time making white cars look brighter and richer. So overall it does more for looks. and it also offers a polymer spray (reload) that leaves a super slick finish that you can provide to the customer for aftercare.

Thanks, i will give CQuartz a try when i have a chance. By the way, as what i've read from this review, OC 2.0 and CQuartz looks no difference.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ew-extreme-testing-opti-coat-2-0-cquartz.html

 

[tdekany]

If you're polishing it should be a pretty night an day difference to the customer, but Opti-Coat, as with most LSP's, add very little to the final look and it's really down to the polishing IMO. I'd suggest taking a picture on a 50/50 section so they can see the before and after.

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