Opti Coat (OC) or Opti Guard )OG) Revenation

Chris when threads pop up for OC failure I always see you asking them to try claying or using another method. You are always consistent in what you suggest to do first before assuming OC/OG is gone.


Some need to remember that even doing a had wash can leave a film. Some soaps do not rinse away easily and can leave behind a film. When this happens it doesn't matter what coating or sealant you have on the car it's still going to act different because of the film.
 
Chris, we are doing Beta testing with a DG product right now that is a paint cleaner that can be used as a last step prior to sealing that removes all oils, etc from the surface to ensure proper bonding. So far, so good with this product.


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Twister said:
Chris when threads pop up for OC failure I always see you asking them to try claying or using another method. You are always consistent in what you suggest to do first before assuming OC/OG is gone.

Some need to remember that even doing a had wash can leave a film. Some soaps do not rinse away easily and can leave behind a film. When this happens it doesn't matter what coating or sealant you have on the car it's still going to act different because of the film.
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You are right...and that's also why I'm hesitant to recommend a topper for Opti Coat. I know people like the feel that a wax adds, but it doesn't contribute to the performance and could actually change the performance or attract dirt, etc.

richy said:
Chris, we are doing Beta testing with a DG product right now that is a paint cleaner that can be used as a last step prior to sealing that removes all oils, etc from the surface to ensure proper bonding. So far, so good with this product.


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That's great news, I love being part of the development of new products! How was your vacation and did you get your "package"?
 
Chris@Optimum said:
You are right...and that's also why I'm hesitant to recommend a topper for Opti Coat. I know people like the feel that a wax adds, but it doesn't contribute to the performance and could actually change the performance or attract dirt, etc.



That's great news, I love being part of the development of new products! How was your vacation and did you get your "package"?
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The vacation was just great. The longest one we've taken as a family at 13 days. The package arrived just fine, thanks very much. Looking forward to putting it to good use!
 
Chris was making a reference of my roof with this quotes

"For example, one of the posters whom I helped diagnose had beading stop only on the roof. When we determined that it was gone, I asked about how each section was prepped. Then we exposed that Optimum Polish was used on the majority of the vehicle, but Meguars 205 was used on the roof where the failure to bond well occurred. This is by no means a slam on M205...just know that some polishes leave things behind that can prove difficult to remove."

After seeing OldTigers results, I am wondering if what I am experiencing is the complete opposite. Instead of contaminents on top making the paint not smooth(OldTiger), could it be the fact that my roof may have clear coat overspray, therefore making the roof not flat, and causing the OC to not bead?

I will post my message here that I sent to Chris for others to look at and comment.

Hey Chris, I saw you made a response in this thread and you referenced my issue with no beading on the roof.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...enation-5.html

Anyways, I would like to revisit the topic as I cannot fully remember what it is we discussed. A little background on my roof.

I do not remember if I discussed this or not(deleted my old inbox), but awhile back, I re-clearcoated my right front fender, I did not fully mask off my roof, and I did notice a mist of paint that flew over the roof.

Now, I did clay the crap out of the roof, and then polished it very well. If, for example, any overspray remained, would that be a cause for the lack of beading? Because the surface is not flat?

What I am getting at is exactly what Oldtiger found out in his thread. The OptiCoat was coated in fallout that killed the beading on the paint, once IronX was used, it removed all the contamination revealing a smooth surface for water to bead on. In my case, for example, if M205 was not the issue, is it possible that the surface off my roof is not perfectly flat, and therefore still coated in OC but not beading?? Kind of the opposite of what happened to OldTiger.

There is also a new development, there has been a spot on my roof that had been bugging me for awhile. It was oddly slick to the touch, it did not look like the pictures I have seen of OC highspots. Anyways, I took my DA, white pad, OPII and held it on the spot and moved it in a small circle for a few seconds. Wiped off the residue and the spot was gone! I can not think of what it could have been other than an OC highspot. What else would create a very small slick spot on my roof? And then be removed so easily and quickly? And if it was a highspot, that would prove that my roof is indeed still coated, and not washed off like I previously thought.

I then added a new layer of OC on the spot that I buffed. I washed my car a few days after and it seemed to not fully bead, but oddly, the water sheeted off and formed a circle on my roof.

Im sorry if this is hard to understand, or make sense of. But I wanted to let you know what I have noticed recently. I am going to watch the spot to see if it dissappears(indicating OC washing off). If not, I am going to lightly polish my roof, and re-apply to see what happens.
 
Hi Jacob, put on some rubber gloves or put you hand in a baggie and glide it over the surface after washing and drying. If you feel roughness or bumps, then you still have overspray or something on the surface. If that's the case, I would use an aggressive clay, then compound and polish it smooth. I don't think overspray will come off as easy as Jim's fallout did so you may need to recoat, but make sure the surface is completely smooth first or it will never bead right. The surface tension is changed dramatically when rough and water will look splotchy.
 
This a great thread! I tried some IX on a car this morning that I have OG on. I got no purple what so ever. Car hasn't seen any type of care besides weekly washes in over a year. No spray wax, no type of extra protection. I have strictly only used optimum Car Wash.

Is it possible that the spray waxes and such are what is attracting these iron particles and contamination? The vehicle I am talking about doesn't need a claying after a year and it sits outside 24/7. Tar doesn't really stickk too well to OG IME. If there is tar, I just use some OPC @3:1 and it comes right off.

I know a lot of you guys don't like the fact that OG/OC are not the slickest feeling products out there and this is why toppers are used but from what I gather, the toppers only hurt the functionality of the coating. I personally don't care how slick a surface is if it sheds dirt and contamination so well as OG and OC do.
 
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Hi Jacob, put on some rubber gloves or put you hand in a baggie and glide it over the surface after washing and drying. If you feel roughness or bumps, then you still have overspray or something on the surface. If that's the case, I would use an aggressive clay, then compound and polish it smooth. I don't think overspray will come off as easy as Jim's fallout did so you may need to recoat, but make sure the surface is completely smooth first or it will never bead right. The surface tension is changed dramatically when rough and water will look splotchy.
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I cannot polish my roof any further. The clearcoat is in the early stages of failure. I don't want to risk making it worse(whole reason I coated in the first place).

Is it possible to claybar my roof and have it pull out the contaniments that may be covered by the OC?
 
timaishu said:
I cannot polish my roof any further. The clearcoat is in the early stages of failure. I don't want to risk making it worse(whole reason I coated in the first place).

Is it possible to claybar my roof and have it pull out the contaniments that may be covered by the OC?
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OC won't bond to contaminants. If the surface wasn't smooth to begin with, OC will never bead well and will be gone in a few months. But, as far as polishing...I was suggesting that to remove the overspray not pulled off by the clay bar. Did you feel the surface with a baggie?
 
I have not done it yet. I will try to wash my car tomorrow and feel the roof and I will update you further.
 
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