Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

[Setec Astronomy]

exactly... as I said REDACT permanent from the description, OPT.

But it IS permanent by the same definitions that the paint or car mfrs. use. If I walk into any car dealer and ask them if the paint is permanent on the car they want to sell me, they will say yes, won't they? If I ask them if the engine is permanent, they will say yes, won't they? And then I'll ask, well, if it's permanent, why do you only warranty it for 4 years/50,000 miles? Why not for 25 years/312,000 miles? It's permanent, isn't it?

Since my car was only warrantied for 4 years/50K miles, should I expect its life to be over at that point?

If it's not permanent, it's temporary. Temporary things are wear items like brakes and tires and engine oil. If it's not temporary...isn't it permanent? If it isn't, what is it?

Didn't I say before I had cesspools to suck?

 

[HD.Detailing]

nothing on a car is permanent. Car dealers are notorious for being honest though.

 

[FUNX650]

exactly... as I said REDACT permanent from the description, OPT.

Optimum's Pro Coating's version..(said to be a "clearcoat type" product)...warranty has now been redacted from covering this product as being permanent, to now only being covered/warranted for five (5) years...

Bob

 

[HD.Detailing]

glad they did, thx Bob.

 

[KillaCam]

Wasn't OC pro advertised with a lifetime warranty from the start? But their version of lifetime was 5 years? Correct me if I'm wrong.
So in reality nothing has changed except the price.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Wasn't OC pro advertised with a lifetime warranty from the start? But their version of lifetime was 5 years? Correct me if I'm wrong.
So in reality nothing has changed except the price.

No, it was changed around a few times. I think at one time it was lifetime if it was applied on a new car that was less than XX months old, but only 5 years if it was applied on a "used" car. It says right in the letter that was posted earlier in the thread that lifetime warranties granted before the letter would be honored.

 

[builthatch]

Wasn't OC pro advertised with a lifetime warranty from the start? But their version of lifetime was 5 years? Correct me if I'm wrong.
So in reality nothing has changed except the price.

this is what i asked earlier in the thread.

i distinctly remember there being a lifetime option for new cars under a year old, but that wasn't the default term. so what i'm saying is the standard length wasn't lifetime in the first place.

to me, and maybe i'm wrong, but it appears the only real change is in the pricing and in how they determine what cars can now have a lifetime warranty.

it's fun to talk about but in the grand scheme of things...do we really care about those little differences? i don't.

if someone comes up to me and asks me what coating to get if they want the most robust stuff...i'll tell them OCP. any little warranty changes aren't going to make a difference to me.

 

[SYMAWD]

Is that paint or rust-through? Rust through is different. I can't imagine any vehicle mfr. warrantying the paint for that long, one bird bomb and you can be down to the metal.

Rust, but if the paint was no longer there, it would rust pretty quickly.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Rust, but if the paint was no longer there, it would rust pretty quickly.

But that's not a paint warranty, that's a rust perforation warranty. If your paint comes off and the panel rusts, that's not covered by the rust-through/perforation warranty.

 

[FUNX650]

if someone comes up to me and asks me what coating to get if they want the most robust stuff...i'll tell them OCP.

any little warranty changes aren't going to make a difference to me.

But then...when I ask you for my total out-of-pocket-cost for an OCP application, and you'd say:
It's ~$500..not including paint correction...which: (as you you'll state in your best up-sell voice) must be done; or else: any paint defects will remain noticeable through the Coating for the duration of the Warranty Period.

Now...You, or anyone else, can say what you/they want:
That $-amount will definitely make a difference to me!!
{Betcha a lot of others will feel the same.}

In fact:
I feel the $-amount of the above proffered
"OCP-detailing transaction" is quite obscene.

Bob

 

[allenk4]

It's not a silca or siloxane or PHPS coating but Opticoat is still a coating - not extra clear (try polishing it and see how it lasts vs clearcoat)

My point was that if the CQuartz UK product is 70% silica, that leaves 30% of the volume for ingredients/carriers that flash off

If 100% of OptiPro stays on the paint...theoretically it could cover an area 30% larger at the same thickness

Just trying to understand how 10ml of OptiPro covers a typical vehicle at the thickness claimed

 

[HUMP DIESEL]

But then...when I ask you for my total out-of-pocket-cost for an OCP application, and you'd say:
It's ~$500..not including paint correction...which: (as you you'll state in your best up-sell voice) must be done; or else: any paint defects will remain noticeable through the Coating for the duration of the Warranty Period.

Now...You, or anyone else, can say what you/they want:
That $-amount will definitely make a difference to me!!
{Betcha a lot of others will feel the same.}

In fact:
I feel the $-amount of the above proffered
"OCP-detailing transaction" is quite obscene.

Bob

I often think about this very thought process myself. Yes, it is a great addition to new vehicles to keep them looking new, and it is also a great option for daily drivers where maintenance is a key factor, but just like you said, convincing someone who has a small civic or such to spend X * $500, would cause them to stop and think.
That being said, I spoke to a client yesterday and she jumped at a semi-permanent coating that would make maintenance of the vehicle easier, because she wants to keep the vehicle as long as possible. My price was not X*$500 though.

HUMP

 

[builthatch]

But then...when I ask you for my total out-of-pocket-cost for an OCP application, and you'd say:
It's ~$500..not including paint correction...which: (as you you'll state in your best up-sell voice) must be done; or else: any paint defects will remain noticeable through the Coating for the duration of the Warranty Period.

Now...You, or anyone else, can say what you/they want:
That $-amount will definitely make a difference to me!!
{Betcha a lot of others will feel the same.}

In fact:
I feel the $-amount of the above proffered
"OCP-detailing transaction" is quite obscene.

Bob

then you sell them Gloss-Coat and offer your own Bob's Detailing Cave warranty

that's my solution.

if they can't or don't want to afford the best coating and its warranty, there is a really nice coating underneath it for a lot cheaper but has a durability claim that matches CQF's (a pro product) warranty.

 

[KoshiL]

(lurk)

 

[FUNX650]

then you sell them Gloss-Coat and offer your own Bob's Detailing Cave warranty

that's my solution.

if they can't or don't want to afford the best coating and its warranty, there is a really nice coating underneath it for a lot cheaper but has a durability claim that matches CQF's (a pro product) warranty.

•IMHO:
-It's not the "Coating manufacturers" proper place to tell detailers what their minimum application price points of their Coatings---or any other car-care product----should be.

•Is this their way of telling detailers that they believe they know the detailers' customer bases better than they do, by increasing the purchase prices the detailers now must pay for their Coating products?

•I can see situations where detailers would have to show potential customers the OC-P/OC-G invoice in order to justify their exorbitant prices.
-I can see where I would be one of those situations. LOL!!

Bob

 

[bugeye]

I'm retired. Been polishing cars since early 70's. I thank Autogeek for the many many fine products.

My employed wife purchased a 2014 BMW to replace her hail damaged insurance totaled car. I purchased OC 2.0 and the full line of Optimum prep products. Her new car looks great. One of her coworkers asked if I would detail his new BMW after seeing her car. Now I don't want another job, but I enjoy detailing cars. So, I consider his offer as $ and polishing cars would be fun. Now, OC 2.0 is gone. Optimum I am disappointed 2.0 is no longer available. I have more products than I can ever use on our personal cars. So, his new BMW in not a OC 2.0 customer. I'll be trying other coatings. Rant off.

 

[RaskyR1]

•IMHO:
-It's not the "Coating manufacturers" proper place to tell detailers what their minimum application price points of their Coatings---or any other car-care product----should be.

•Is this their way of telling detailers that they believe they know the detailers' customer bases better than they do, by increasing the purchase prices the detailers now must pay for their Coating products?

•I can see situations where detailers would have to show potential customers the OC-P/OC-G invoice in order to justify their exorbitant prices.
-I can see where I would be one of those situations. LOL!!

Bob

I've actually had several clients ask what the product cost me and I have never had an issue sharing it with them. I believe the application time and benefits of the coatings I offer are well worth the MAP pricing.

 

[dad07]

•IMHO:
-It's not the "Coating manufacturers" proper place to tell detailers what their minimum application price points of their Coatings---or any other car-care product----should be.

•Is this their way of telling detailers that they believe they know the detailers' customer bases better than they do, by increasing the purchase prices the detailers now must pay for their Coating products?

•I can see situations where detailers would have to show potential customers the OC-P/OC-G invoice in order to justify their exorbitant prices.
-I can see where I would be one of those situations. LOL!!

Bob

I could not agree more Bob.

Nobody is going to tell me how much I can charge.......how much stuff I have to buy to use their products.

 

[FUNX650]

I've actually had several clients ask what the product cost me and I have never had an issue sharing it with them.

That's pretty cool of you to do so! :cheers:

I believe the application time and benefits of the coatings I offer are well worth the MAP pricing.

I believe I've read that you don't feel the same way about the new OC-P MAP pricing...Is that true?

Bob

 

[RaskyR1]

That's pretty cool of you to do so! :cheers:


I believe I've read that you don't feel the same way about the new OC-P MAP pricing...Is that true?

Bob

I think it's good to have MAP pricing, as long as it's not too high that some markets won't support it. I found it easier quoting clients after MAP was enforced and have supported that change. My application prices were set at MAP, but I know many installers who are well above it.