Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

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allenk4 said:
I am very interested in these "paint/coating industry standards"

Specifically, how they are applied to the claims made by OPT for their coating longevity and thickness

This is probably the one that is most directly related to longevity:

D1014 - 09 Standard Practice for Conducting Exterior Exposure Tests of Paints and Coatings on Metal Substrates


Sounds like you have a lot of inside information
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hehe, there are all kinds of weathering and corrosion tests that i'm sure he conducts to guarantee efficacy and claims. it's not a matter of having inside info, it's just what PhD chemists do when they own a company that sells products within certain markets.
 
allenk4 said:
This is probably the one that is most directly related to longevity:

D1014 - 09 Standard Practice for Conducting Exterior Exposure Tests of Paints and Coatings on Metal Substrates
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builthatch said:
hehe, there are all kinds of weathering and corrosion tests that i'm sure he conducts to guarantee efficacy and claims. it's not a matter of having inside info, it's just what PhD chemists do when they own a company that sells products within certain markets.
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•Many people, who aren't PhD Chemists, yet own Companies that sells products within certain markets...have the same opportunity for Third-Party corrosion and weathering testing---as long as they have the money to cover the costs of doing so.

•In-House Testing often causes me to have a
"raised eyebrow" reaction.


•Below is an example of the "Florida Weathering Test":




Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
•Many people, who aren't PhD Chemists, yet own Companies that sells products within certain markets...have the same opportunity for Third-Party corrosion and weathering testing---as long as they have the money to cover the costs of doing so.

•In-House Testing often causes me to have a
"raised eyebrow" reaction.


•Below is an example of the "Florida Weathering Test":




Bob
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yeah i'm not sure if he's doing them in-house or not, but i am sure he's doing them or having them done. in such a non-standardized industry like detailing, a man with the integrity of Dr. G would probably save money doing it in-house since he knows it all inside and out and i can't fault him for that IF that's the case. the dude is legit.

anyway, yeah - there is a coating marine exposure testing site near me that i pass every time i go to the beach. figure six in the link - Performance Evaluation of One-Coat Systems for New Steel Bridges - FHWA-HRT-11-046
 
allenk4 said:
Maybe it is just a misunderstanding of what average is?

They look at all registered vehicles. Some are new, some are old. Take the total age of all registered vehicles and divide by the total number of registered vehicles


I don't want to second guess your grocery store parking lot observation, but the statistic I quoted is from R.L. Polk it is quoted in this article from Auto News:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20130806/RETAIL/130809922?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
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Right, the median age would be much more meaningful in this instance.
 
allenk4 said:
Why is that?
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Well, if the median is 8, you know 50% of cars on the road are 0-8 years old. It would be nice to know what the median and average age of cars actually driven (daily) are. Wonder if it would differ.
 
StuDLei said:
Well, if the median is 8, you know 50% of cars on the road are 0-8 years old. It would be nice to know what the median and average age of cars actually driven (daily) are. Wonder if it would differ.
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You have average and median confused
 
Let's say there are 10 cars on the road today in America.

Here are their respective ages:

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 16, 34, 70.

Average age: 15.6 years

Median age: 10 years.

The average age of cars in the U.S. isn't very useful when trying to determine how many cars on the road would be eligible for Optimum's warranty. 90% of the cars on the road could be less than five years old, but if 10% are 100 years old, the average is going to go way up. The median tells you much more.

For example:

90% of cars are 5 years old and 10% are 100 years old. The average age of a vehicle is then [(90x5)+(10x100)]/100=14.5 years, even though 90% of the cars on the road are only 5 years old.
 
I was thinkin the same thing when I read about the "average" age of the cars out there statistic. I'm sure that number is artificially high due to all the classic cars in people's garages and old trucks on farms that drive up averages. Median age would be much more accurate (or at least a better representation) of cars actually driven on a daily basis.
 
What would have been awesome would have been.

Opti Coat 2.0 discontinued due to the introduction of Opti Gloss Coat. "Its even glossier, extra slick, even easier to apply and lasts twice as long! 2 lifetimes!!! And for the same price!
 
It bugs me that Dr. G said he refuses to respond to any more comments, as well as the fact that he didn't comment at all about the durability of gloss coat as it compares to 2.0.
 
StuDLei said:
It bugs me that Dr. G said he refuses to respond to any more comments, as well as the fact that he didn't comment at all about the durability of gloss coat as it compares to 2.0.
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Gloss coat is a hybrid product, differs from 2.0. Expect what you would from other such products, like CQF, 22ple etc.. So 2 + years. Again, always keep in mind that claims are just that with non permanent LSPs. No way will you get the same durability on a black car in Arizona that sits outside 24/7 than a silver one in LA that is parked inside at night.
 
tdekany said:
Gloss coat is a hybrid product, differs from 2.0. Expect what you would from other such products, like CQF, 22ple etc.. So 2 + years. Again, always keep in mind that claims are just that with non permanent LSPs. No way will you get the same durability on a black car in Arizona that sits outside 24/7 than a silver one in LA that is parked inside at night.
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A hybrid of what? It's not a wax/sealant hybrid obviously.

Also, while I understand a wax/sealant won't last as long on a black car in Arizona, are you sure that's the case with coatings?

I think the gloss coat is going to be awesome stuff (how are there no reviews yet??!!!!), but I still would have liked for him to specifically address the aforementioned issue.
 
StuDLei said:
A hybrid of what? It's not a wax/sealant hybrid obviously.

Also, while I understand a wax/sealant won't last as long on a black car in Arizona, are you sure that's the case with coatings?

I think the gloss coat is going to be awesome stuff (how are there no reviews yet??!!!!), but I still would have liked for him to specifically address the aforementioned issue.
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You can do what I do and call him. I had a number of questions, one of them was what you asked, but that was all I was told and what I wrote down above. He had to finish payroll, so I let him do what he needed to do. I will find out, and so can you. There are a few 'reviews" from the testers, I mean it was JUST introduced. My syringes are on their way and I will apply it to one of our cars. Coatings are not different in their reaction to the environment except that they die after 18-24 months. I mean do we really think that CQF will stay on every car for 24 months and disappears the day or week after? They all die gradually, sooner or later, and I believe where the car is and color of the finish will dictate that big time.
 
StuDLei said:
A hybrid of what? It's not a wax/sealant hybrid obviously.

Also, while I understand a wax/sealant won't last as long on a black car in Arizona, are you sure that's the case with coatings?

I think the gloss coat is going to be awesome stuff (how are there no reviews yet??!!!!), but I still would have liked for him to specifically address the aforementioned issue.
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Found one for you

Review: Optimum Gloss-Coat Paint Coating - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum
 
Im the MAN
StuDLei said:
Let's say there are 10 cars on the road today in America.

Here are their respective ages:

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 16, 34, 70.

Average age: 15.6 years

Median age: 10 years.

The average age of cars in the U.S. isn't very useful when trying to determine how many cars on the road would be eligible for Optimum's warranty. 90% of the cars on the road could be less than five years old, but if 10% are 100 years old, the average is going to go way up. The median tells you much more.

For example:

90% of cars are 5 years old and 10% are 100 years old. The average age of a vehicle is then [(90x5)+(10x100)]/100=14.5 years, even though 90% of the cars on the road are only 5 years old.
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The Mean is the same as the Average

The Median is the middle of the sequence

In your example, there is NO, Median because you have an even number of items

Changing your variable, by adding another vehicle age

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 16, 34, 70, 71

The Median is 9
 
allenk4 said:
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The reverse is actually true
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The reverse could be true in other cases when talking about medians. However, it would not make sense when talking about cars. The older a car gets, the less likely it will be that it is still on the road. Therefore, there are more "newer" cars on the road. But, the average is higher than the median because 30, 40, 50 yr-old cars add greater "weight" to the equation.

Example of car ages:

2, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 16, 20, 40, 50

Average = 14.9
Median= 7

The 40 and 50 yr-old cars are "outliers." I think we'd all agree that there are more 1-10 yr-old cars on the road than there are 30-50 yr-old cars. Therefore, the median is a better tool in this case.

Hope this clears things up


p.s. if you have a sequence with an even amount of numbers, the median is the average of the two "innermost" numbers in the sequence
 
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