opticoat failing

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I applied opticoat 2.0 about 6 months ago and it is not beading anymore. I clayed, irox-x, compounded, and polished the car. I then wiped it down with eraser and washed it again with dawn soap. I waited for it to totally dry and then applied the opticoat. It has/had a total of 2 coatings on it. Is it supposed to act like this? I heard people say it beads for the lifetime of their car. What did I do wrong?
 
I applied opticoat 2.0 about 6 months ago and it is not beading anymore. I clayed, irox-x, compounded, and polished the car. I then wiped it down with eraser and washed it again with dawn soap. I waited for it to totally dry and then applied the opticoat. It has/had a total of 2 coatings on it. Is it supposed to act like this? I heard people say it beads for the lifetime of their car. What did I do wrong?

Either your prep was not totally squeaky clean or your paint might need clayed. Try claying first. Is it not beading anywhere or certain panels?
 
Time wise, how long between the two layers of application?

Is it not beading after giving it a wash? It could have a layer of road "muck" on it keeping it from beading.
 
My vote goes to Dawn.

Dawn tends to leave a film on paint, which is (among other reasons) why it is not recommended for automotive applications.

Clay, polish, and wipe the vehicle down with a 15% solution of IPA and then re-apply Opti-Coat.
 
It was also already established in another thread that Eraser also leaves behind a residue that may prevent proper bonding of OC.

Next time IPA Wipe x 3.

Also what compound/polish did you use? They recommend one of their own brands.

Before you go all out, I would re-clay to be sure it didn't properly bond. And be sure that you thoroughly rinse your paint to be sure there's no leftover soaps or cleaners that kill beading.
 
My vote goes to Dawn.

Dawn tends to leave a film on paint, which is (among other reasons) why it is not recommended for automotive applications.

Clay, polish, and wipe the vehicle down with a 15% solution of IPA and then re-apply Opti-Coat.


No kidding, I do believe that Zainos recommends Dawn washes
 
Dawn soap is the suspect. I have used Eraser, Wurth Prep, Prep Sol, and Gtechniq Panel Wipes prior to Opticoat with no issues.
 
I have heard this and then someone used some IronX on the paint and after that it was beading like new again
 
Get the DP Coating Prep Polish or Gtechniq panel wipe.

Wurth is good but they don't ship to Cali.
 
I don't know much about Opticoat but it seems as if you need to do the full process (clay, compound, polish, IPA wipe) for it to be applied properly. Just my two cents.
 
I applied opticoat 2.0 about 6 months ago and it is not beading anymore. I clayed, irox-x, compounded, and polished the car. I then wiped it down with eraser and washed it again with dawn soap. I waited for it to totally dry and then applied the opticoat. It has/had a total of 2 coatings on it. Is it supposed to act like this? I heard people say it beads for the lifetime of their car. What did I do wrong?

Be very careful before your sure the OC is gone. A lot of stuff can sit on the surface of OC and kill the beading. I find some surfactant cleaners, wheel cleaners, etc... can do this. Could be something in a soap or something in the environment as well.

Before you convince yourself the OC is gone. Wipe it down with 20% IPA. That will remove most films and bring the beading back if its still there.

The reason I know this to be true is I see it all the time on OC'ed wheels and surfactant wheel cleaners. After cleaning the wheels, they loose the beading. Once you wipe them down with IPA, that removes whatever film the wheel cleaner left behind. Claying may also work, but you won't know if its the OC beading - or a film left by the clay lube, as most have some polymers. So if you clay, do an IPA wipedown afterwards.

If the OC is gone and your going to re-apply it, IMO the best thing to do is to use Optimum's polishes prior. At least finish with an Optimum polish or use Optimum Finish Polish as your last step. That is what Optimum recommends, so far its working for me.
 
why are you people useing Dawn? Really?
All that other crud is crud, as your finding out.

Another example of taking something simple and messing it all up.
KISS - Keep It Simple Silly

polish wipe with IPA, install Opti, done.
 
Is it supposed to act like this? I heard people say it beads for the lifetime of their car. What did I do wrong?

No, its not supposed to act like that. It beads for the lifetime of the car. Something must have went wrong in your prep or may be i suppose you washed the car too early after OC application.

When did you do the first car wash after the OC application?
 
Be very careful before your sure the OC is gone. A lot of stuff can sit on the surface of OC and kill the beading. I find some surfactant cleaners, wheel cleaners, etc... can do this. Could be something in a soap or something in the environment as well.

Before you convince yourself the OC is gone. Wipe it down with 20% IPA. That will remove most films and bring the beading back if its still there.

The reason I know this to be true is I see it all the time on OC'ed wheels and surfactant wheel cleaners. After cleaning the wheels, they loose the beading. Once you wipe them down with IPA, that removes whatever film the wheel cleaner left behind. Claying may also work, but you won't know if its the OC beading - or a film left by the clay lube, as most have some polymers. So if you clay, do an IPA wipedown afterwards.

If the OC is gone and your going to re-apply it, IMO the best thing to do is to use Optimum's polishes prior. At least finish with an Optimum polish or use Optimum Finish Polish as your last step. That is what Optimum recommends, so far its working for me.

:iagree:Make sure the OC isn't there first. It is possible it just needs a deep cleaning to remove the surface contaminates.
 
I agree,I think the Dawn left a film and that's the cause for the failure.
I find it hard to remove the Dawn film so when I do it I always use ISP to make sure it's super clean.
 
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