Orbital polisher help

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Hey guys I just joined this site but have a couple questions. First off I have a Black and Decker 4930 polisher that I would like to use. I have been looking at the Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer and deep gloss paint sealant along with the Wolfgang finishing glaze. I read that you can use these products ethier by hand or by use of a DA polisher like the PC7424xp. Obviously doing this by hand would be tiring and you wouldn't get the results like you would with a DA polisher. But I was wondering if I could use my orbital buffer (7inch) with a bonnet to apply these products. Im thinking that the orbital is like an inbetween from doing it by hand and using a DA polisher. Could I use the orbital polisher? I would probably get the same results like I would if I was doing it by hand but I think it would be a lot easier on myself to use the orbital, am I correct?

Are the wolfgang products a lot better then the Meguiars products? I am debating between the Wolfgang Paint Work polish enhancer (like I stated above) or Meguiars Deep Crystal Polish. For a person like me on a low budget, would the Meguiars still give me a great shine? Can I apply the Meguiars with my polisher?

Lastly, I have minor swirls and paint defects since I have always learned the right techniques in drying etc. But I would like to use Meguiars Ultimate Compund or Swirl X before the polish, can I use this with the polisher and a bonnet?

So it would go like this: Wash-Clay-Ultimate Compund-Meguiares Deep Crystal Polish-Wolfgang Finishing Glaze-Carnuaba Wax. Would this procces work well and give me a great end result? Could I use my cheapo polisher for these steps? (except for wax, I would like to do that by hand)

The last thing I want to do is ruin the clearcoat or put more swirls into it. Hopefully you guys can steer me into the right direction. Im very sorry about the long article, and if I do not make sense please ask me to elaborate.
 
:welcome: To Autogeek Online :props:

Having the right tools for the job always the best way to start.

Paint correction and polishing by hand is a surefire way to discourage anyone from defect removal. The machines of today are worth their weight in gold and will make paint correction and polishing so much more efficient and quick you'll wonder how you got by without one.

You mention the Black and Decker 4930 polisher. I'm not familiar with it and was wounding if this is the type of machine your referring to?

The Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader

If it's a true orbital machine, it won's have the power to remove the finish defects and "might" be better suited for applying sealants and waxes. I had one similar to the one Mike mentions years ago and gave it to the kid next door.

As a note, I apply 98% of my sealants and waxes with my Porter Cable 7424 dual action polisher using a blue or red foam pad.

This link contains articles written by Mike Phillips and has allot of great reading within.

Articles by Mike Phillips

Basic steps in order are:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Paint Correction & Polish
  • Seal
  • Wax
Dual Action Polisher

1. - Working with a dual action polisher

2. - My Porter Cable 7424, backing plate, and pads


Polishes

Meguiar's is one of the biggest names in detailing products and have been around. Life for them began in 1901 so this should give you some idea of their quality.

Meguiars Ultimate Compound
Meguiars Swirl X Swirl Remover


Some additional products you might like.

Sealants

Wax

 
Your orbital with bonnets will do just fine for seal and wax, but you can't really touch a scratch or swirl with it. The cut in the pads you use with a DA or a rotary are what level the paint off and work out the imperfections.
 
BobbyG said:
:welcome: To Autogeek Online :props:

Having the right tools for the job always the best way to start.

Paint correction and polishing by hand is a surefire way to discourage anyone from defect removal. The machines of today are worth their weight in gold and will make paint correction and polishing so much more efficient and quick you'll wonder how you got by without one.

You mention the Black and Decker 4930 polisher. I'm not familiar with it and was wounding if this is the type of machine your referring to?

The Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader

If it's a true orbital machine, it won's have the power to remove the finish defects and "might" be better suited for applying sealants and waxes. I had one similar to the one Mike mentions years ago and gave it to the kid next door.

As a note, I apply 98% of my sealants and waxes with my Porter Cable 7424 dual action polisher using a blue or red foam pad.

This link contains articles written by Mike Phillips and has allot of great reading within.

Articles by Mike Phillips

Basic steps in order are:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Paint Correction & Polish
  • Seal
  • Wax
Dual Action Polisher

1. - Working with a dual action polisher

2. - My Porter Cable 7424, backing plate, and pads

Polishes

Meguiar's is one of the biggest names in detailing products and have been around. Life for them began in 1901 so this should give you some idea of their quality.

Meguiars Ultimate Compound
Meguiars Swirl X Swirl Remover


Some additional products you might like.

Sealants

Wax

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Ok, so I was looking at the Meguiars Ultimate Compund and it can be applied by hand with any soft applicator or by the DA polisher. But couldn't I use my orbital buffer, since it might have a little more power then doing by hand so I can get a little better results? Also will not be as tiring, but obviously using the orbital wouldn't be as good as using the DA polisher. I would love to buy a PC7424xp right now but I really do not have the extra funds. Plus I would have to buy the pads and chemicals...
This is a picture of my Orbital Polisher:
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Thanks again in advance!
 
There's no reason you couldn't try it, I just wouldn't expect it to really knock out a lot of swirls and scratches. Give it a shot and met us know how it comes out, and make sure to take before and afters!
 
I wouldn't add more swirls/scratches to the vehicle if I use the compound with the orbital buffer would I?
Also could use the same bonnet say for the ultimate compound and then for something else after washing and drying it?
Thanks.
-Nick
 
Hey guys hopefully you can answer my question real quick. I was in sears yesterday and were looking at the bonnets for my cheap orbital polisher. I also purchased Ultimate Polish, what would be the best type of bonnet for applying this Polish? In type I mean lambswool, terrycloth, synthetic. I really liked the lambswool, should I go with that? The last thing I want to do is make the truck look worse after I used the polisher. Lastly, Could I use a lambswool bonnet to apply a liquid carnuaba wax?
Thanks again.
 
01chevys10zr2 said:
Hey guys hopefully you can answer my question real quick. I was in sears yesterday and were looking at the bonnets for my cheap orbital polisher. I also purchased Ultimate Polish, what would be the best type of bonnet for applying this Polish? In type I mean lambswool, terrycloth, synthetic. I really liked the lambswool, should I go with that? The last thing I want to do is make the truck look worse after I used the polisher. Lastly, Could I use a lambswool bonnet to apply a liquid carnuaba wax?
Thanks again.
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Whatever you end up getting, be sure to do a Test Spot with that tool and whatever bonnet and product you decide on and make sure you're getting GREAT results to a small area before buffing out your entire car only to find out it's filled with micro-marring.

Test first, prove your system and then tackle the entire car.


:)
 
Ok so I ended up going with the Lambswool bonnets. Like I asked before will this be a suitable applicator for Meg Ultimate Polish?
Hope you guys can help.
-Nick
 
I had a customer give me an old B&D polisher just like that one. I've been thinking of trying it out just for kicks. It seems like it would do a decent job as it does work just like one of the newer style DAs just a lot heavier and bulkier and with no velcro for switching pads on to it. It definitely should work better than by hand but might be tough getting into tight areas with it.
 
tuscarora dave said:
I had a customer give me an old B&D polisher just like that one. I've been thinking of trying it out just for kicks. It seems like it would do a decent job as it does work just like one of the newer style DAs just a lot heavier and bulkier and with no velcro for switching pads on to it. It definitely should work better than by hand but might be tough getting into tight areas with it.
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Yep it does seem pretty nice. Like I said before I would buy a DA polisher like the PC7424xp but I do not have the extra money at the time. But getting back to the question, will it be alright to use the lambswool bonnet on the buffer to apply Meg Ultimate Polish?
 
I think wool should be ok for polish. I've never used it, but I know that's the old school way to polish.
 
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