Overwhelmed With Options (New Car Protection)

Just to add....


Here's a really simple approach that would also get you into machine polishing. If you're going to take care of your own car - sooner or later you're going to want to get into machine polishing as hand polishing is for the most part a waster of time, energy and resources.


The most simple polisher is also one of the most reliable polishers on the market. It's the Porter Cable 7424XP. I share it in a review I just wrote for a new Mothers Ceramic Wax. In the review for the wax I also show that along with purchasing a Porter Cable polisher you'll need to purchase a 5" backing plate and some pads.

This is as cheap as you can get and still have a quality tool.


Review: Mothers Ceramic Wax by Mike Phillips



Mothers Ceramic Wax

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The cheapest way to get into machine buffing,

Either of these tools below. In the above review I showcased the Porter Cable because it would have been poor etiquette to show a GRIOT'S tools with a MOTHERS product. (make sense?)

The Porter Cable is a solid performer with decades of time-proven reliable history. A more powerful tool for just a few dollars more would be the new Griot's G9 Random Orbital Polisher. It comes with a 6" backing plate but I recommend getting the 5" backing plate because this way you'll invest your money in the smaller, 5.5" buffing pads - not 6.5" buffing pads. The nutshell story about this is smaller pads rotate better on tools like this and also FIT your car's body panels better.


Griot's Garage G9 Random Orbital Polisher - $159.99


Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher - $149.99

5" Dual-Action Hook & Loop Flexible Backing Plate - $17.99

White Lake Country 5 1/2 Inch Flat Foam Pad - $6.99



Both of the above tools are the same basic type of tool. The Porter Cable or as we call it - the PC - is an 8mm free spinning random orbital polisher. The Griot's G9 as the name implies is a 9mm free spinning random orbital polisher. The difference between 8mm and 9mm is tiny. The BIG PICTURE is both tools are SHORT STROKE polishers and in my humble opinion a better choice for any beginner versus a LONG STROKE polisher simply because it's easier for a beginner to maintain pad rotation with short stroke versus long stroke when it's your ONLY tool for buffing out a car.

A car = multiple body panels of different shapes and sizes. Long stroke are great for large flat panels but short stroke are much better for all shapes and size body panels.


For what it's worth... I've been doing this as long or longer than anyone breathing. By "doing this" I mean both detailing cars AND WRITING about detailing cars. (There's a lot of great detailers that can't type) And here's the deal...

I can no longer count how many times a person has started a thread like this, (on any platform), where they are working by hand, THEN they take the leap-of-faith and purchase a polisher, and then they say something like this,


Wow! I should have done this 20 years ago...


Or fill in the number of years to anything you like.




:D
 
Just to add....


Here's a really simple approach that would also get you into machine polishing. If you're going to take care of your own car - sooner or later you're going to want to get into machine polishing as hand polishing is for the most part a waster of time, energy and resources.


The most simple polisher is also one of the most reliable polishers on the market. It's the Porter Cable 7424XP. I share it in a review I just wrote for a new Mothers Ceramic Wax. In the review for the wax I also show that along with purchasing a Porter Cable polisher you'll need to purchase a 5" backing plate and some pads.

This is as cheap as you can get and still have a quality tool.


Review: Mothers Ceramic Wax by Mike Phillips



Mothers Ceramic Wax

Mothers_Ceramic_Wax_028.JPG






The cheapest way to get into machine buffing,

Either of these tools below. In the above review I showcased the Porter Cable because it would have been poor etiquette to show a GRIOT'S tools with a MOTHERS product. (make sense?)

The Porter Cable is a solid performer with decades of time-proven reliable history. A more powerful tool for just a few dollars more would be the new Griot's G9 Random Orbital Polisher. It comes with a 6" backing plate but I recommend getting the 5" backing plate because this way you'll invest your money in the smaller, 5.5" buffing pads - not 6.5" buffing pads. The nutshell story about this is smaller pads rotate better on tools like this and also FIT your car's body panels better.


Griot's Garage G9 Random Orbital Polisher - $159.99


Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher - $149.99

5" Dual-Action Hook & Loop Flexible Backing Plate - $17.99

White Lake Country 5 1/2 Inch Flat Foam Pad - $6.99



Both of the above tools are the same basic type of tool. The Porter Cable or as we call it - the PC - is an 8mm free spinning random orbital polisher. The Griot's G9 as the name implies is a 9mm free spinning random orbital polisher. The difference between 8mm and 9mm is tiny. The BIG PICTURE is both tools are SHORT STROKE polishers and in my humble opinion a better choice for any beginner versus a LONG STROKE polisher simply because it's easier for a beginner to maintain pad rotation with short stroke versus long stroke when it's your ONLY tool for buffing out a car.

A car = multiple body panels of different shapes and sizes. Long stroke are great for large flat panels but short stroke are much better for all shapes and size body panels.


For what it's worth... I've been doing this as long or longer than anyone breathing. By "doing this" I mean both detailing cars AND WRITING about detailing cars. (There's a lot of great detailers that can't type) And here's the deal...

I can no longer count how many times a person has started a thread like this, (on any platform), where they are working by hand, THEN they take the leap-of-faith and purchase a polisher, and then they say something like this,


Wow! I should have done this 20 years ago...


Or fill in the number of years to anything you like.




:D

thank you Mike, I can imagine how many people have said that and I probably should just start with one. When considering this it does tie in the budget I had in mind. Would you feel I should with my WG kit idea or could possibly get away with a simply all in one? At the end of the day I ultimately am trying to learn as I go and maintain every 6 months or so. I’d prefer staying away from a ceramic right now as it’s a bit intimidating for a diy right out of the gates even with all your write ups I’ve read 😂.
 
thank you Mike, I can imagine how many people have said that and I probably should just start with one. When considering this it does tie in the budget I had in mind. Would you feel I should with my WG kit idea or could possibly get away with a simply all in one? At the end of the day I ultimately am trying to learn as I go and maintain every 6 months or so. I’d prefer staying away from a ceramic right now as it’s a bit intimidating for a diy right out of the gates even with all your write ups I’ve read ��.

Do an AIO like BF One Step and then top every couple months (it’s really easy to apply after a wash/dry) or worst case 6 months (if you really have a 6 month maintenance restriction) with BF SiO2 Spray. Repeat the One Step every year or so. Wait until a 25% or 30% off sale on BF, they happen often.
 
Do an AIO like BF One Step and then top every couple months (it’s really easy to apply after a wash/dry) or worst case 6 months (if you really have a 6 month maintenance restriction) with BF SiO2 Spray. Repeat the One Step every year or so. Wait until a 25% or 30% off sale on BF, they happen often.

Well, the weekend is closing in and frankly I’ve read more than i expected. So many options and technology, and so many opinions. Mike obviously takes the cake from what i’ve read as far as experience, reviews, influence, and knowledge, or at the very least who has that and is willing to share it online.

Where I’m at is the following items. Probably overkill, but its an investment i intend to use for my vehicle and my wife’s, with hopes of getting experience and finding what i want and do not want. Mike - I know you recommended the porter cable over the G9 by Griots but i have bad experience with Porter Cable equipment as i work in construction. So based off reviews and your review of the G9, i elected to go that route.

Iron X Iron Remover, CQuartz IronX, Paint Cleaner, paint decontamination

Griot's G9 BLACKFIRE One Step Fundamentals Kit

BLACKFIRE Poly Clay & Lubricant Combo - Fine Grade

BLACKFIRE BlackICE Hybrid Liquid Wax


Please tell me if I’m making a poor choice somewhere, or otherwise overkill. I’d like to avoid starting out overkill but would also like a good slate to start with. Thank you!
 
You are off to a great start!

Iron-x - check

Griots kit - check

Do this:Speed Master Clay Towel Combo

Hold off not the BlackICE Liquid Wax. Your One step will be good for 3 months. By then you might want to use another LSP.

All great picks! You've done far better than I have when I started out! lol...

tom
 
Reason for getting a get clay towel is this----When you run out of clay lube you can switch over and just use a bucket soapy water with your towel.

Or any fine clay towel brand....

Tom
 
Reason for getting a get clay towel is this----When you run out of clay lube you can switch over and just use a bucket soapy water with your towel.

Or any fine clay towel brand....

Tom

Tom, I questioned the secondary liquid wax so I appreciate the comment to hold off and see where I’m at in a few months. As far as the club and towel goes, can I bypass the towel for a few months as well? I intend to only do two vehicles in the next three months so I hoped to get two vehicles out of one clay purchase. One is new 2021 other is a 2018 with probably fair or above fair paint condition. Or do you feel you can get away with just this towel and use clay lube and/or soapy wash?
 
Tom, I questioned the secondary liquid wax so I appreciate the comment to hold off and see where I’m at in a few months. As far as the club and towel goes, can I bypass the towel for a few months as well? I intend to only do two vehicles in the next three months so I hoped to get two vehicles out of one clay purchase. One is new 2021 other is a 2018 with probably fair or above fair paint condition. Or do you feel you can get away with just this towel and use clay lube and/or soapy wash?

Just a clay towel....

Use with bucket soapy water....

Towel will last you few years. Clay bar...couple uses and if you do drop it, it's trash. If you drop a clay towel, just rinse in bucket and carry on...

Love mine....I had Pinnacle fine clay bar I bought 4 years ago....I still have it!
Always used clay towel with soapy water....

Tom
 
Just a clay towel....

Use with bucket soapy water....

Towel will last you few years. Clay bar...couple uses and if you do drop it, it's trash. If you drop a clay towel, just rinse in bucket and carry on...

Love mine....I had Pinnacle fine clay bar I bought 4 years ago....I still have it!
Always used clay towel with soapy water....

Tom

perfect, I thought I could get away with that but wasn’t sure the lifespan on those towels. Glad it’s what I hoped. Thanks for the tip!
 
I agree with TMQ, I definitely enjoy using a clay towel as inevitably I’d always drop the clay bar at least once since that thing is slick. And remember to season the clay towel by wiping on your windshield first before putting it against your paint.

And I almost responded first but held off as I wasn’t really enamored by the Hybrid Liquid Wax choice. I’d also just go with the BF One protection initially and consider picking up one of the numerous SiO2 spray sealants or one of the graphene sealants (coming) out.

Have fun.
 
I agree with TMQ, I definitely enjoy using a clay towel as inevitably I’d always drop the clay bar at least once since that thing is slick. And remember to season the clay towel by wiping on your windshield first before putting it against your paint.

And I almost responded first but held off as I wasn’t really enamored by the Hybrid Liquid Wax choice. I’d also just go with the BF One protection initially and consider picking up one of the numerous SiO2 spray sealants or one of the graphene sealants (coming) out.

Have fun.

The griots cetamic 3-1 is a nice Sio2 sealant in terms of gloss and protection.

Another Ceramic option would Pinnacle Black Label Diamond surface coating. Easy on easy off.... it’s spendy but you’ll get a few coats out of it.

Check out Mike’s reviews he likes it alot and i believe he uses it in his own cars.


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RNR89JV....
Send me a PM with address. Take your pick and I’ll send it to you.

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Mr Tommy.


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RNR89JV....
Send me a PM with address. Take your pick and I’ll send it to you.

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Mr Tommy.


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Tom that is incredibly generous of you, at the very least I would like to pay for a portion of it. I will send you a private message.

I think I’ve concluded what route I’m going with products just need to pick a trim sealant/protector and a wheel cleaner/coating 😂. I’m a fan of Wolfgang and BF (from reading and posts only) so I’m sure it will be one of them.
 
Just to chime in...


Much good stuff cut out and narrowed down to this,

or could possibly get away with a simply all in one?


And here is wisdom. Lowest cost/most bang for the buck


Do an AIO like BF One Step and then top every couple months (it’s really easy to apply after a wash/dry) or worst case 6 months (if you really have a 6 month maintenance restriction) with BF SiO2 Spray.

Repeat the One Step every year or so. Wait until a 25% or 30% off sale on BF, they happen often.


But get one of the entry level polishers and a few foam polishing pads to apply the BLACKFIRE One Step - you WILL be amazed.


Machine applying the BF One Step and then topping with any non-cleaning dedicated sealant, even if you just do the horizontal panels and then after that - wash gently.


Your car will always look like a million bucks. You can easily do a lot more steps and make it a lot more complicated - but do this AFTER the above, down the road. This way you'll already have the polishers and your skill level, experience and knowledge will be so much higher.


Learn to walk before you run.



:)
 
Just to chime in...


Much good stuff cut out and narrowed down to this,




And here is wisdom. Lowest cost/most bang for the buck





But get one of the entry level polishers and a few foam polishing pads to apply the BLACKFIRE One Step - you WILL be amazed.


Machine applying the BF One Step and then topping with any non-cleaning dedicated sealant, even if you just do the horizontal panels and then after that - wash gently.


Your car will always look like a million bucks. You can easily do a lot more steps and make it a lot more complicated - but do this AFTER the above, down the road. This way you'll already have the polishers and your skill level, experience and knowledge will be so much higher.


Learn to walk before you run.



:)

^^^^this is golden^^^^*


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Just to chime in...


Much good stuff cut out and narrowed down to this,




And here is wisdom. Lowest cost/most bang for the buck





But get one of the entry level polishers and a few foam polishing pads to apply the BLACKFIRE One Step - you WILL be amazed.


Machine applying the BF One Step and then topping with any non-cleaning dedicated sealant, even if you just do the horizontal panels and then after that - wash gently.


Your car will always look like a million bucks. You can easily do a lot more steps and make it a lot more complicated - but do this AFTER the above, down the road. This way you'll already have the polishers and your skill level, experience and knowledge will be so much higher.


Learn to walk before you run.



:)

Thank you Mike, I'm very glad I was patient and read through this forum as well as created this thread. It cleared up a lot and got me focused on realistic goals to start out with. I also never considered to purchase a polisher until your comments and further reading. I'm pretty satisfied with the products ive linked previously (my cart currently) and then just adding some wheel and tire cleaner/protector as well as trim dressing. I'll have to check but i think i may have received a coupon for my first order when i signed up :xyxthumbs:
 
Well the deed is done; now I must wait 🍻

Thanks everyone for all the advice and comments
 
Well I figured why not just post an update here on progress. Too many interruptions and other tasks to make much headway but I did however accomplish a good wash, BF iron decon, and another wash before bringing it in the garage for next week to take the G9 and BF one step to it. As well as the other products. One thing I noticed is the iron remover is not very forgiving to rubber, I’m sure a good cleaner and protector will regain the uniform black color again but it’s something I noted for future use. Additionally I’m glad I went with the iron remover as there was more than I anticipated on my brand new vehicle.
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Below are the photos of the residue/discoloration from the decon product on the rubber. I’m sure I’ll get it off or back to uniform I didn’t spend much scrub time on it.

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