paintless dent removal

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Today I went to a guy who does paintless dent removal.

It was on various panels on my daughter's car, nothing major.

The guy used different tools and I closely monitored his work.

I felt like I could do the same if I have tools.

What are your experiences?

Any of you have any experience in paintless dent removal ?

Any suggestions, advises, opinions ?!

Thanks !


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I’ve never had it done, but from what I’ve heard they charge way too much for what it is…
 
I know a dent guy. Started his career years ago in a bodyshop then moved to dent exclusively, been doing it for 15-20 years. It's like any job, time in gets wisdom. But it definetly is a skill to learn. The guys doing it do have knowledge. Amd their tools are like any specialty trade, not run of the mill hardware store stuff. They usually have thousands of $$$ in their tools. Guy I know is mobile, and it takes him 15 minutes just to get his tools and station set up. Yripod lights, chest of tools, etc ,etc. Heck, he had one small ball hammer (amoung many hammers in his selection) that seemed like it weighed nothing, it doesn't leave dents of it's own when you hammer panels. Think he said it was over $800 alone.
Some of these dent guys are on the road in drmand going all over the country (after storms and such) and working 12+ hours a day on end, hardly ever home if they want the work. There is a demand. Dealerships will bring in multiple guys like a hit crew after a big storm to repair all the damage caused. They work straight everyday till done then leave for another job.
Skills can be learned, but years in definetly gives experience and knowledge.
I respect the guys doing it.
 
While the good ones make it look super easy, I feel that there’s a ton of artistry going on.

It’d be like watching SizzleChest do a detail and saying - “Yeah, I can do that.” You can, eventually, but there’s 10,000 hours that went into learning the craft and knowing just what to reach for and just how far to push for perfection. (And what order to go to get there)

When I was at the Audi dealership, we used a company called Dent Wizard (aptly named), and specifically had one guy on residency there. He was amazing. Like Silly Rabbit said, he had a go bag of specialized tools he either bought or made himself to accomplish just what he needed to get done. He’d talk about how metal has a memory, so if you’re lucky (dent size/shape/how long it’s been in the panel), it would kinda want to return back to normal. But once dented, the metal has been stretched, so to a certain extent there’s no going completely back to normal.

I’d love to learn the craft, even if it wasn’t to get a job doing it. Much like professional window cleaners, looks very zen. I’ve got a lot of respect for the guys and gals doing it - knowing what dents to pull from the outside, which to flex out from behind, managing when to tap them back in. If I had the disposable cash, there’s a local PDR shop that used to offer a class that I’ve wanted to do. I think part of the fee includes setting you up with a starter tool set. One day…

On that note - has anyone seen any good online resources that touch on how to get started?
 
there’s a local PDR shop that used to offer a class that I’ve wanted to do. I think part of the fee includes setting you up with a starter tool set. One day…

I wonder if they didn't offer that class just to convince you that you need them to do the PDR on your car.
 
I’ve never had it done, but from what I’ve heard they charge way too much for what it is…

Ha ha, Eldo, you reminded me of an old joke.

Foreman has one of his production machines down, so he calls the repairman. Repairman comes in, looks at the machine, strokes his chin, takes out his hammer, bangs on the side of the machine, and it starts up, everything working as normal. Foreman is ecstatic to have the machine running, repairman hands him a bill for $500. The foreman is outraged, he sputters at the repairman, "would you care to itemize that bill?" Repairman takes it back, writes: Banging on side of machine: $1; Knowing where to bang: $499.

PS I realize that to get that joke you have to imagine an old-time world where there were factories with production machines and foremen, here in the US.
 
Ha ha, Eldo, you reminded me of an old joke.

Foreman has one of his production machines down, so he calls the repairman. Repairman comes in, looks at the machine, strokes his chin, takes out his hammer, bangs on the side of the machine, and it starts up, everything working as normal. Foreman is ecstatic to have the machine running, repairman hands him a bill for $500. The foreman is outraged, he sputters at the repairman, "would you care to itemize that bill?" Repairman takes it back, writes: Banging on side of machine: $1; Knowing where to bang: $499.

PS I realize that to get that joke you have to imagine an old-time world where there were factories with production machines and foremen, here in the US.

In a previous life I was a junior programmer. I was frequently in between the bureaucracy of my own IT dept and the well-intentioned but frequently ill-informed enhancement requests from the business unit. Our canned response to any request was an estimated time that was well in excess of what it probably required (think starship engineer's estimates to temper the captain's expectations). One day I'm in a meeting and the lead business guy (who knew *just* enough about programming to be dangerous) AND my boss are present. Biz guy gets frustrated with an estimate and looks at me and asks "Come on Karl, isn't this just adding an "IF" statement?". Before I could respond my boss speaks up and says "That's right Frank. It isn't the coding of the "IF" statement, though, it's knowing where to put it."
A little knowledge can go a long way . . . and cause a lot of damage getting there. :laughing:
 
PS I realize that to get that joke you have to imagine an old-time world where there were factories with production machines and foremen, here in the US.

And the concept of giving a machine the ol Fonzie treatment. Nowadays it’d be a bill for knowing how many times to turn it off and on again. :laughing:
 
Ha ha, Eldo, you reminded me of an old joke.

I might just start to dabble a bit in PDR as a side hustle. And just to prove a point, all I’ll use is a Hammer.lol.

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I’ve never had it done, but from what I’ve heard they charge way too much for what it is…

Ha ha, Eldo, you reminded me of an old joke.

Foreman has one of his production machines down, so he calls the repairman. Repairman comes in, looks at the machine, strokes his chin, takes out his hammer, bangs on the side of the machine, and it starts up, everything working as normal. Foreman is ecstatic to have the machine running, repairman hands him a bill for $500. The foreman is outraged, he sputters at the repairman, "would you care to itemize that bill?" Repairman takes it back, writes: Banging on side of machine: $1; Knowing where to bang: $499.

PS I realize that to get that joke you have to imagine an old-time world where there were factories with production machines and foremen, here in the US.

This reminds me of a long-term customer I had once -

(For added context, this is 2020 during the height of the pandemic, and a normally active old man being forced to stay at home due to lockdowns, so he had a lot more time on his hands.)

This person, one of the richest men in the country, standing outside his brand-new mansion with the hand applied gold leaf on the pillars of the front entrance and ancient Greek goddess statues, told me that I charge him too much...............after working for him and his extended family for near 15 years. (I was not by the way, he got the same price everyone else did, below industry average too.) Well, I explained that you are not just paying for me to cut the grass, but also the horticultural knowledge that I have. His snarky reply was that "it's not rocket science!".

I found that statement hugely offensive, a complete disregard for all I had learned over a 20-year period. Horticulture is not something you learn about overnight, it takes decades to learn, mostly from hands on experience. It's not just digging holes and cutting grass. You basically become a plant doctor, knowing how identify and treat certain pests and diseases, becoming a plant nutritionist, know how plants function/biologist, learn how are where to prune, learning about soil and become a soil chemist, becoming proficient in plumbing and electronic watering systems, be a small engine mechanic to maintain equipment...................................... So, I might be just a dumb gardener, but there is more to it than he was crediting me for.

A few months later, I resigned after reaching the end of my tether. But guess who was ringing me to help diagnose the bug infestation on his rose bushes? Well, apparently, it's not rocket science, so you figure it out!

There are two things I learnt from all this -

1. NEVER question a person's worth, you have no idea what it takes to do one's job and the price asked for it.
2. NEVER compromise on what you think you are worth, otherwise, what the point?
 
PDR is a skilled art form i have a local bloke on the North West Coast of Tasmania that does it and makes it look easy why.........?

Experience and a lot of it!
 
I pieced together a kit that uses allot of hot glue and these plastic plungers that hook to the tools to pull the dents out. They all have been fairly good at getting out larger to medium dents.
 
Just to clarify, and I know this goes against what some of you have clearly pointed out… But I simply don’t think a tiny dent or two the size of a 1/4 inch or less is worth paying a couple hundred dollars or more to have removed. Last time I checked I have at least 2 tiny divots on my otherwise perfect trunklid that must’ve been caused by the seeds/pits? That sometimes fall out of the tree on the nearby curb.

I don’t like the fact that they’re there, but at the same time I wouldn’t place having them corrected anywhere near a couple hundred bucks worth. It’s just not worth it to me + I can find much better value for a couple hundred dollars.
 
There are two things I learnt from all this -

1. NEVER question a person's worth, you have no idea what it takes to do one's job and the price asked for it.
2. NEVER compromise on what you think you are worth, otherwise, what the point?

As I said in another thread, perspective is important.

be a small engine mechanic to maintain equipment

To your point, we just lost a longtime landscaper (as we now refer to them here in the US) at work who retired, mostly because the repair shop he used closed.
 
Just to clarify, and I know this goes against what some of you have clearly pointed out… But I simply don’t think a tiny dent or two the size of a 1/4 inch or less is worth paying a couple hundred dollars or more to have removed. Last time I checked I have at least 2 tiny divots on my otherwise perfect trunklid that must’ve been caused by the seeds/pits? That sometimes fall out of the tree on the nearby curb.

I don’t like the fact that they’re there, but at the same time I wouldn’t place having them corrected anywhere near a couple hundred bucks worth. It’s just not worth it to me + I can find much better value for a couple hundred dollars.
I mean yeah, if you can live with it great but most insurance companies cover this

I had this nut fall out a tree in our backyard a couple summers ago that put a good sized dent in the roof of my ES. To make it worse it was near a ridge too!

Once the guy came over he spent over an hour getting it out, the hot glue was eventually what was used to get it out but he had all kinds of crazy tools, very impressive!!

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Just to clarify, and I know this goes against what some of you have clearly pointed out… But I simply don’t think a tiny dent or two the size of a 1/4 inch or less is worth paying a couple hundred dollars or more to have removed. Last time I checked I have at least 2 tiny divots on my otherwise perfect trunk.

That's the price one must pay for perfection. This is coming from someone who is paying *thousands* to get his Cadillac right.
 
Skilled art indeed. Had 2 or 3 small ones fixed on the truck in the past. Like it was never there.
 
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