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[SheepStar]

Again, not directed at you, I appreciate your participation in the forum, don't know anything about you.

My problem with YouTube is no matter what the subject, whether it's gardening, car detailing, car repair, or a hundred other things, there is no checkpoint for a "content creator" to pass, to determine if they have any authority on the subject.

Let's say in the old days you were going to go on your local TV news to do a segment about car detailing, let's say your Mike Phillips, and you're trying to get some local traction for Autogeek. And they would say, that sounds cool, what is your experience/qualifications? And Mike would answer that he was the director of training for Meguiar's, and then for Autogeek, that he's been teaching detailing for 30 years, first as a local trainer, then as a manufacturer's rep, then working for a mfr., and then working at Autogeek one of the country's largest detailing products suppliers, and has taught classes all over the world. And that he's a member of the IDA, and one of the people responsible for determining the curriculum for certification. And they review all that and say great, come on the show.

Contrast that to YouTube, where anyone can start a channel, without having to show a shred of knowledge on the subject matter, and make a video with their phone.

Yep! The only thing you’re missing is that most of the people on YouTube are using products designed for a consumer level of experience. As long as the channel produces proof of application and process, they should be able to say with anecdotal experience their findings in good faith. There is a handful of channels that are professional detailers with thriving business and shops, so I would also say that their experience is valid proof that they do know what they’re doing (at least, on the face of it).

I know you didn’t watch the video by or previous ones (and I am not saying go do that, I want people to watch on their own accord), but I actually filmed the whole application process with a present temperature and humidity reading so those watching know the circumstances. Not much but it helps back up my process and knowledge.

Not one will get it perfect, not everyone has a Meguiars level facility to work in, or have Mike Phillips resume, but that isn’t mandatory to review a consumer grade product and give valid feedback.

…But man I wish I had a meguiars level facility.

 

[CleanIT]

Yeah this isn't rocket science. Dmitry is one that comes to mind when it comes to applying scientific analysis to different products. You'll even find pro detailers having no knowledge of chemical composition etc., which I wouldn't expect anyway as they're not chemists. It's a matter of whether the product works or not to their liking. Plus, you're dealing with an industry in general where there is no industry standard testing.

 

[SheepStar]

Yeah this isn't rocket science. Dmitry is one that comes to mind when it comes to applying scientific analysis to different products. You'll even find pro detailers having no knowledge of chemical composition etc., which I wouldn't expect anyway as they're not chemists. It's a matter of whether the product works or not to their liking. Plus, you're dealing with an industry in general where there is no industry standard testing.

Very true. Dmitry’s channel is interesting in that it heavily relies on testing for its results. I appreciate that level of detail and numbers are easily to compare, but there is a root subjective to car detailing products that should at least be acknowledged for some aspects of a products performance. And by subjective I mean a clear uncorrupted impression of the product. Over time you’ll learn who to trust vs who is blowing smoke, but it does take a bit of commitment and faith in the channel to determine.

 

[Eldorado2k]

…But man I wish I had a meguiars level facility.

Me & my car have been to the Meguiars facility.

 

[SheepStar]

Me & my car have been to the Meguiars facility.

Yeah but like… you don’t live there mannn.

 

[SheepStar]

FYI about to release a video where I disclose my earnings, and stances on all forms of monetization through YouTube, and how I feel they should be handled.

 

[Klasse Act]

FYI about to release a video where I disclose my earnings, and stances on all forms of monetization through YouTube, and how I feel they should be handled.

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[Eldorado2k]

Yeah but like… you don’t live there mannn.

Oh, that’s right. I just woke up, I must’ve been dreaming. Lol

 

[Bunky]

The likes and subscribers counts can be an addiction that goes to their head.

 

[Klasse Act]

The likes and subscribers counts can be an addiction that goes to their head.

There's NO DOUBT about that!

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[Desertnate]

Contrast that to YouTube, where anyone can start a channel, without having to show a shred of knowledge on the subject matter, and make a video with their phone.

This honestly is why I view YouTube as a source of entertainment and I rarely, if ever, take anything there seriously. True experts are few/far between on any social media platform, and influencers whose only skills are carrying a GoPro or a phone on a selfie stick and video editing seem to rule the day.

I'll occasionally use it to see how to do something like fix a minor plumbing problem or ideas for my vegetable garden, but thats about it when it comes to actually learning something from the content posted there. I did watch Mike Phillips' video many years ago, but to your point, I knew his background and knew he was an authoritative source.

This topic of credibility brings up something else I've been hearing in the background in other areas of the automotive industry. At many automaker model reveals and sponsored events there are now two very distinct groups. On one hand you have folks who have a background in the industry as designers, mechanical engineers, and journalists who have a background in automotive engineering/design/racing. On the other side you have influencers who know absolutely nothing about cars and typically don't even publish automotive content, but the automaker paid them to show up at the event in order for them to publish something for "clicks". That second group often simply show up, blather on for a couple minutes using the talking points they've been given, and often don't even drive the vehicle. When they do, many are a menace to the others, especially on a track. Guess which group is larger these days...

 

[SheepStar]

The likes and subscribers counts can be an addiction that goes to their head.

Which is weird, view duration is what makes the money, not sub count.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

Which is weird, view duration is what makes the money, not sub count.

That is an interesting point....and reassuring that no one is making a great deal of $$ off of my viewing habits. In general, less than a minute in to any video and I'm checking out...just don't have the patience for it. (but I did watch yours in its entirety because it wasn't really detailing related). Watching folks use, compare or ("oh, the humanity!") 'torture test' products just isn't that interesting to me.

I think a lot of misconceptions exist on the actual money people make with a YouTube channel; it's not quite the gold mine many believe unless you've got a million or so subscribers to ratchet up your metrics; the law of averages would alone would suggest some of them will watch for the long haul and even a small percentage of a million is a lot.

I wonder if 'long-form' YouTube vids will soon be overshadowed by shorter-form things like Instagram reels and such...attention spans seem to be waning and even grabbing someones eye for 15 seconds can seemingly be a chore.

I guess we'll see.

 

[SheepStar]

That is an interesting point....and reassuring that no one is making a great deal of $$ off of my viewing habits. In general, less than a minute in to any video and I'm checking out...just don't have the patience for it. (but I did watch yours in its entirety because it wasn't really detailing related). Watching folks use, compare or ("oh, the humanity!") 'torture test' products just isn't that interesting to me.

I think a lot of misconceptions exist on the actual money people make with a YouTube channel; it's not quite the gold mine many believe unless you've got a million or so subscribers to ratchet up your metrics; the law of averages would alone would suggest some of them will watch for the long haul and even a small percentage of a million is a lot.

I wonder if 'long-form' YouTube vids will soon be overshadowed by shorter-form things like Instagram reels and such...attention spans seem to be waning and even grabbing someones eye for 15 seconds can seemingly be a chore.

I guess we'll see.

Not sure if you’re referring the the clean by pan video or the last one. If last one yeah, not about products.

The beauty is also the beast (as mentioned earlier) - anyone can make a channel (by having a log in you’re already able to upload videos), but at the same time ANYONE can have a channel. Of course this will attract those that lack qualifications to do it in a professional manner, simply because there is no required qualifications. I do think programs or schooling would be a great thing, but then you’d need to establish a standard and have everyone agree on it.

Clearly, that just isn’t possible in detailing haha.

 

[Klasse Act]

Calling Orange Vee, chime in here....

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[BudgetPlan1]

...but then you’d need to establish a standard and have everyone agree on it.

Clearly, that just isn’t possible in detailing haha.

I'd agree that a standard of any sort on what is (partially) an extremely subjective topic, especially in the "This is glossier than that" scenario, is somewhat impossible. There's lots of great detailing products out there but what makes one great to me might not suit someone else's preferences, hence "not so great" for them. I can pretty much guarantee that what has been the "Best For Me" for a few years now would not make the grade for others, partially due to things that have nothing to do with (otherwise equal) performance vs other products in that particular space.

The whole "Quest For The Best" is largely a fool's errand. It makes for interesting discussions though & any information is good information!

 

[Eldorado2k]

I'd agree that a standard of any sort on what is (partially) an extremely subjective topic, especially in the "This is glossier than that" scenario, is somewhat impossible. There's lots of great detailing products out there but what makes one great to me might not suit someone else's preferences, hence "not so great" for them. I can pretty much guarantee that what has been the "Best For Me" for a few years now would not make the grade for others, partially due to things that have nothing to do with (otherwise equal) performance vs other products in that particular space.

The whole "Quest For The Best" is largely a fool's errand. It makes for interesting discussions though & any information is good information!

I saw Ivan Lacroix say the other day that a heavy cut compound has become obsolete in todays world because modern OEM paint is being made much softer than times of the past. [or something along those lines, I’m paraphrasing]

The 1st thing I thought was “yea ok, maybe for a guy like you who never actually details a car in need of detailing”

But in the real world people bring you cars that are actually dirty and paint that’s been neglected, not brand new vehicles that you get to “test” your products on in front of the cameras… How can he say heavy cut compounds are obsolete? Smh.

 

[chilly]

I saw Ivan Lacroix say the other day that a heavy cut compound has become obsolete in todays world because modern OEM paint is being made much softer than times of the past. [or something along those lines, I’m paraphrasing]

The 1st thing I thought was “yea ok, maybe for a guy like you who never actually details a car in need of detailing”

But in the real world people bring you cars that are actually dirty and paint that’s been neglected, not brand new vehicles that you get to “test” your products on in front of the cameras… How can he say heavy cut compounds are obsolete? Smh.

I have said this before and I will say it again, I have had a very hard time taking him seriously for years now

I know he has to make a living but the way he jumped from brand to brand for a while and each and every one was the newest and best left me doubting his integrity

And then to team up with the trained monkey he is with now and once again his current endeavor is the "best", it gets old

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is part owner now, not just a brand influencer, but still, I just can't take him seriously

Pronouncements like what you mentioned above simply mean "I don't currently sell this category of product so you don't need it"

 

[SheepStar]

I saw Ivan Lacroix say the other day that a heavy cut compound has become obsolete in todays world because modern OEM paint is being made much softer than times of the past. [or something along those lines, I’m paraphrasing]

The 1st thing I thought was “yea ok, maybe for a guy like you who never actually details a car in need of detailing”

But in the real world people bring you cars that are actually dirty and paint that’s been neglected, not brand new vehicles that you get to “test” your products on in front of the cameras… How can he say heavy cut compounds are obsolete? Smh.

I know their system uses heavy pads vs heavy compounds, and their machine has a 25mm orbit - which is bonkers. I saw the same clip and he does preface that by saying there is outlying cases for it, but a weekend warrior could probably get away with a normal compound.

But yeah heavy cutters are still definitely needed for some situations.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Pronouncements like what you mentioned above simply mean "I don't currently sell this category of product so you don't need it"

Lmao. Damn you hit the nail on the head with that one. Couldn’t have described it much better than that. Needs no explanation, those who know, know..

But yeah heavy cutters are still definitely needed for some situations.

Yea, like when you run into something like this. Lol.