Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@
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I saw him at The Bays Wheeling last year, didn't even bother talking to him. I bet one thing to make a detailing shop better is to supply the full line of DIY Detail productsI forget by now where all this guy has popped up on the various threads for the past few months... but now he's turning detailing shops into reality TV.
Bar Rescue anyone?
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Yvan is a detailer and an experienced one. However he is also a salesman. A very high priority of any salesman is selling their products. They rarely miss that opportunity.I saw him at The Bays Wheeling last year, didn't even bother talking to him. I bet one thing to make a detailing shop better is to supply the full line of DIY Detail products
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I can hear Pan & Ivan now..."Shut it down A" and maybe DJ Kalid will get his break when they "fix the business" he'll close with this gem:
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You looking for a Producer side gig?I can hear Pan & Ivan now..."Shut it down A" and maybe DJ Kalid will get his break when they "fix the business" he'll close with this gem:
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I feel like the detailing market went off the rails in the last year. The best I can tell is some big investor or investment group connected with some car detailing YouTubers to help them launch several new brands of products. It's crazy how many brands are available. I don't see how the House of Rags will be able to sell all these products on a regular basis. I feel like it's too many different products to chose from for the average car detailing customer. I see even within a product line, some will be duds and be hard to sell. I know it's a big market but in the past year, it went from 7 or so different rinseless washes to probably well over 20.
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️It's something I'd love to see from the inside in a nerdy way. But some obvious signs are there that they don't even shy away from. The most recent one being their own polisher getting clearanced out so they can put some new colors to it and sell it for Pan. It's not rational but American consumers are (mostly) irrational and it must sell well enough.
Their focus on the harder to buy foreign brands is interesting and probably a big sell for now but same as the American brands, at some point it's just brands cannibalizing other brands with the same product functionality (but new labels). It seems a little more rational to at least try 1 brand from other regions of the world to get a slightly new experience vs trying 15 brands from the same region. It's interesting to see how products are built and function from a UK brand vs a Japanese brand vs a German brand.
To your point above, how long though until sales drop? I'm guessing PBMG/AG etc employees from the past 10-15yrs might have a good idea about these answers.
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I guess I see this completely differently. If you go back to the pre-internet days, there was almost no way for a hobbyist to find out about detailing. There were no books, no magazines...if you were lucky there might be a "special section" in the middle of Car & Driver or Road & Track with some rudimentary information, or you might be able to get a brochure from Meguiar's or Mothers that also gave you some rudimentary info. I think I had a car maintenance (mechanical) book that might have had a chapter on washing your car, maybe some year I will unbury that and see what it says.
With the internet, suddenly there was a better way to find and share information, then in the early 2000's came forums. It's no coincidence that Autogeek had meteoric growth during this period, the ability to find good, detailed information online lead to an explosion of interest and a huge appetite and growth in the market, based on people being able to find good products, learn how to use them, and get good results.
This growth in the market is what lead Rupes and Flex, long established tool manufacturers in their home markets, to come to the US. Autogeek, through shrewd monitoring of forum buzz, brought in new products that people wanted to try, and bringing on Mike Phillips and starting to do videos just helped accelerate everything.
Autogeek didn't saturate the market, it's just the new owners lost the thread (pardon the pun) of how to keep growing the business, and lost the key employees to doing that (they also had other agendas, namely the distribution of the Sonax brand). I think THOR has understood the significance of YouTube as a marketing tool, and along with all the other YouTubers, I think this is growing the market for detailing supplies, so I don't see it as an oversaturation of the market, I simply see all the new lines and stores as a response to the growing market.
It keeps getting even crazier! It's almost like the newest flavor of the month car detailing brand is really just a huge joke on the potential buyers. I'm sure the average customer who went to the House of Rags to buy a car was soap wouldn't have a clue what to get with so many different brands from all over the world.
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Is it really any different than walking into AutoZone or Advanced Auto and trying to figure out which of the myriad brands you should buy/try? Or any of the large online shops that many here buy from? Autogeek, DI, Autoality, Clean Garage, etc.?
Katiba had been hyped by them for a long time and in turn, it's causing others to look at some more Asian brands to bring this way. That's a definite benefit considering the other options might be a long flight or crazy high shipping to try some of the foreign brands. But again, I'm finding brands from the same region all tend to be similar.
Very true about a B&M store like Autozone and the brand selection. To illustrate that point, walk down an aisle in a US grocery store and notice the 35 different selections of ranch dressing. Unlikely to be any crazy difference. Do the same in a foreign country and you might find 2 choices for ranch dressing. I'll go back to my earlier comment, Americans tend to be irrational consumers
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When I walk into AutoZone or Advanced auto parts, I expect to see mostly mainstream brands which have been around for years such as Armor All, Chemical Guys, Griot's Garage, Meguiar's, Mothers, Turtle Wax, etc. Most of these products are pretty straightforward as far as what they are for and work well. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for selection as it's part of the fun in trying out new products from time to time. But in the last year or so, it's been a brand explosion. With this much market saturation, it's inevitable that some of these new brands will fall by the wayside.
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My faith in Canadians has been restored
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My faith in Canadians has been restored
LOL, that was a funny vid.
Curious if it can match Kamikaze on performance.
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I have a bottle of Overcoat 3.0 or 3.1 that I've barely used. Assuming it hasn't gone off it could make for an interesting comparison. Add in Polish Angel High Gloss (also about 3 years old) and ADS Ceramic Spray Sealant to make it four. I've got four doors and a car that's going to need a top up when it's finally warm enough to do a thorough hose wash after a long winter.
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Because I own a Korean car I feel like I should try this, does anyone else carry it though
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Is it "The Best in the World period" as pan would sayBecause I own a Korean car I feel like I should try this, does anyone else carry it though
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