Paul Dalton Dry Ice Engine Detail $295

I know who he is. Just because you spend $8k on a detail doesn't mean it's going to be any better than an $800 job.

Things already cost more in England where Paul works, so he has to also reflect that in his prices, so you can't really compare to US prices.
 
Some people pay a premium for guys like Paul Dalton because of their established ability to care for super exotic, priceless vehicles. If you had a $1 million dollar classic Enzo Ferrari with original, unmolested, defect-free paint, I imagine the idea of having someone who has actually done it before (and the pool of people who have worked on cars of that value in quantity is slim) and has established themselves as an industry leader, it's gonna cost a bit.

Hey, for the right price, Martha Stewart will plan your wedding. She's done it for a few celebrities and the like I read. If it's worth it to them, it's worth it to them.
 
If you got that car, I'll pay you to let me detail it.

No sir I have a Ford Focus and a Motorcycle!

My point was, damaging the paint on something like that could harm its value in the realm of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Suddenly puts paying among the best of the best, with experience with those paint systems, the best tools of the trade who will spend a week devoting 100% of their time $8k into perspective. As much as I hate the "that car is worth more so it should be cared for more" ideology, I certainly understand why PD may be able to get clients to pay that much for his services.
 
Then how can you prove that his $295 engine detail is any better than anyone else's?

Nobody said it was better than anyone else's. The point is, if he charges $X and people are willing to pay it - good for him. If his $X is ten or fifty times higher than a competitor and people are STILL willing to pay it - better for him. He has to be doing something right - crazy ice shooting machines or not.
 
Then how can you prove that his $295 engine detail is any better than anyone else's?

Let me put it to you this way. If you had to detail the engine on a Hauyra, 250 GTO, Shelby Daytona, or anything that is really timeless and exotic, is a hose and some APC really the best choice?

I have washed both a 430 and 458 engine, and even after they were dried, the engine threw codes because the sensors were wet (threw a knock sensor and left bank cam on the 458 and 02 sensor on the 430). This is not a big deal for me, I allowed them to dry 100%, then cleared the codes, rescanned, no issues.

My point is this may seem like a stupid outrageous way to do something that only an idiot would pay for, but when you deal with really exotic cars, you don't want to be the guy that wrecks it!

I would also be very careful about knocking PD's work. Saying his $8K detail is no better than someone else's $800 (I don't know how you came up with this number) detail is really opening a can of worms. Its like saying you know as much as Mike Philips or Larry Kosilla. Daltons sheer experience and knowledge base, let alone his patience and ability to product flawless work is not something you trash on. Even on the big detailing forums, Facebook pages, etc he is very well respected by some of the best in this business. Not to mention PD is a very kind, lovely person to speak with and he is very humble and honest about what he does, same goes for Larry and Mike. I would have a little more respect for Dalton if I were you.
 
If it's worth it to them, it's worth it to them...<<< :props:.
Is this the quote of the year? Or is it the quote of the year? ~ Yogi Berra (?)
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I know who he is.
Just because you spend $8k on a detail doesn't mean
it's going to be any better than an $800 job.
From what I understand, this detail takes one week.
So $8000/7days/8 hours per day = roughly $142 per hour.
I don't think that's out of line at all for who many consider the best in the world.
Ever take piano lessons from a grand master pianist? It ain't no $142 an hour.....
Some people pay a premium for guys like Paul Dalton
because of their established ability to care for super exotic, priceless vehicles.

If you had a $1 million dollar classic Enzo Ferrari with original, unmolested, defect-free paint, I imagine the idea
of having someone who has actually done it before (and the pool of people who have worked on cars of that value in quantity is slim)
and has established themselves as an industry leader, it's gonna cost a bit.

Act III, Scene 1.:

Enter:
Two Professionals...Detailers, by Trade...discussing price-points of detailing, performed to/on their Clients' vehicles:

First Detailer: "I am a brigand: I live by robbing the rich."

Second Detailer: "I am a gentleman: I live by robbing the poor."

{Paraphrased from: George Bernard Shaw's 'Man and Superman'}


:)

Bob
 
Let me put it to you this way. If you had to detail the engine on a Hauyra, 250 GTO, Shelby Daytona, or anything that is really timeless and exotic, is a hose and some APC really the best choice?

I have washed both a 430 and 458 engine, and even after they were dried, the engine threw codes because the sensors were wet (threw a knock sensor and left bank cam on the 458 and 02 sensor on the 430). This is not a big deal for me, I allowed them to dry 100%, then cleared the codes, rescanned, no issues.

My point is this may seem like a stupid outrageous way to do something that only an idiot would pay for, but when you deal with really exotic cars, you don't want to be the guy that wrecks it!

I would also be very careful about knocking PD's work. Saying his $8K detail is no better than someone else's $800 (I don't know how you came up with this number) detail is really opening a can of worms. Its like saying you know as much as Mike Philips or Larry Kosilla. Daltons sheer experience and knowledge base, let alone his patience and ability to product flawless work is not something you trash on. Even on the big detailing forums, Facebook pages, etc he is very well respected by some of the best in this business. Not to mention PD is a very kind, lovely person to speak with and he is very humble and honest about what he does, same goes for Larry and Mike. I would have a little more respect for Dalton if I were you.

You could not have said it better :xyxthumbs:

It makes me very angry when people talk smack about Mr. Dalton and his success. (Jealous much?) Mr. Dalton has a very special gift to produce results that are hard to describe or truly appreciate unless you see it in person. His level of patience is almost not human. He is also a very kind, polite, cordial, and generous man. I wish him and Miracle Detail all the best with my full support.
 
Let me put it to you this way. If you had to detail the engine on a Hauyra, 250 GTO, Shelby Daytona, or anything that is really timeless and exotic, is a hose and some APC really the best choice?



I have washed both a 430 and 458 engine, and even after they were dried, the engine threw codes because the sensors were wet (threw a knock sensor and left bank cam on the 458 and 02 sensor on the 430). This is not a big deal for me, I allowed them to dry 100%, then cleared the codes, rescanned, no issues.



My point is this may seem like a stupid outrageous way to do something that only an idiot would pay for, but when you deal with really exotic cars, you don't want to be the guy that wrecks it!



I would also be very careful about knocking PD's work. Saying his $8K detail is no better than someone else's $800 (I don't know how you came up with this number) detail is really opening a can of worms. Its like saying you know as much as Mike Philips or Larry Kosilla. Daltons sheer experience and knowledge base, let alone his patience and ability to product flawless work is not something you trash on. Even on the big detailing forums, Facebook pages, etc he is very well respected by some of the best in this business. Not to mention PD is a very kind, lovely person to speak with and he is very humble and honest about what he does, same goes for Larry and Mike. I would have a little more respect for Dalton if I were you.


You sure seem to her really worked up when talking about Paul Dalton, is he related to you?
You are getting away from the point. I'm not "trashing" anyone. Last time I checked, asking a question was not directly related to trashing someone. I asked what made his $295 engine detail so special. Even if it wasn't some super exotic rare care his engine detail would still be the same price.
I never said his engine detail was bad or his $8000 detail was bad, anywhere in any of my posts.
 
I used dry ice blasting for 5 years straight at my old job. The company I worked for had a supplier of dry ice that would deliver early in the morning when we needed it for a job that day. It was a terrible day at work when the supplier didn't show up because they were out.
At that time I already detailed so one day when I was told to empty the dry ice container so it could be replaced in the morning, my first thought was to try it on my engine bay. So glad I did, yes it does just blow dust and anything you remove onto other areas but the part I loved was when it removed dried oil and grease with little effort and no mess of water and cleaner to dry off.
 
Re: Paul Dalton Dry Ice Engine Detail $295

Ever take piano lessons from a grand master pianist? It ain't no $142 an hour.....


There are no Grand Master Pianists, that terminology only exists in Kung-Fu and Chess.

That's like calling myself a Grand Master Teacher.
 
Re: Paul Dalton Dry Ice Engine Detail $295

There are no Grand Master Pianists, that terminology only exists in Kung-Fu and Chess.

That's like calling myself a Grand Master Teacher.

You can call yourself whatever you like man, the people here at AG won't hate you for it. Creativity is something to be rewarded.
 
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