PBL and Aquawax 951, strange situation

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About 3 weeks ago we cleaned and polished my son's jeep. We finished it with PBL Diamond Coating. This past weekend I was away, my son washed the jeep and then grabs a bottle of 951 to use as a QD. Last night he comes to me and says, the finish feels rough.
I went out and took a look and it did feel rough. I could not see anything on it, but the over all feeling was like that of a paint overspray. I tried a soft MF towel and some Waterless wash on a section and no change. I then tried some QD, nothing. Last I tried a clay bar and it came right off. A very light clay treatment and it is back to normal. Yes I know wax is not needed but he is at least keeping it clean. I explained to him about the life span of a coating and this shouldn't happen again.

A couple of questions:
1: Could these two be incompatible?
2: Would the clay have removed the PBL?
3: Has anyone else experienced something like this?
 
1- ???
2- Claying won't remove PBL
3- First I've heard of it
 
Next time try using Meguairs NXT Generation 2.0 Paste wax. It's about $21.00 for an 11 oz can and goes over the PBL Diamond Paint Coating to a mirror finish and great water beading. I just completed the NXT Generation 2.0 detail over my 2014 Porsche Cayman 981 with Fantastic results. The product can be bought anywhere. Easy on, easy off application.
 
Honestly It was not my goal. He thought he was doing the right thing and used the way instead of the QD. It was just a really weird situation. I might do a test this weekend on my car and see what happens.
Could it be a bad interaction between the products?
 
Are we sure he didn't get some overspray from somewhere he drove/parked?
 
richzak said:
Next time try using Meguairs NXT Generation 2.0 Paste wax. It's about $21.00 for an 11 oz can and goes over the PBL Diamond Paint Coating to a mirror finish and great water beading. I just completed the NXT Generation 2.0 detail over my 2014 Porsche Cayman 981 with Fantastic results. The product can be bought anywhere. Easy on, easy off application.
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Slgihtly biased based off previous posts but I get it.

Why anyone tops coating is beyond me, takes all teh characteristics of the coating away.
 
I agree, no reason to use the Wax. Saturday I am going to try an experiment and see what happens if I apply it over another panel coated.
 
Bill, the President of DG, told me to wait 6 monthes before I could use AW on the new DGNCC (DuraGloss Nanoglass Ceramic Coating) and although your talking about a different coating it might just apply to all coatings. That said, AW isn't going to make ANYTHING feel rough!

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As time goes on with continued experience with coatings it will become more apparent to old school waxers that coatings are not your fathers LSP. When you think of all the work and expense to get paint surgically clean in preparation for a coating just to top it with anything that either takes away the coatings properties or potentially reacts negatively with it...makes no sense especially topping with carnauba waxes. That is certifiably insane when coatings are great at sheeting and repelling...and waxes grab, attract, and hold onto anything passing by.
 
I was told specifically by the Pinnacle people at AG that it was OK to apply the Synergy Wax over the PBL Paint Coatings. That is why I bought the product and applied it.

If they would have told me it was NOT ok to apply a coat of wax (any wax) over the PBL Paint Coating, I would not have done it.

AG sells both the Pinnacle and Meguiars brand products. So I am not sure that the wax over the PBL Paint Coating will hurt it.

It appears there are allot of diffferent opinons on this topic. I don't think there has been any determination as to if it is.....right or wrong to apply a wax over the PBL Paint Coating.

Perhaps someone at Pinnacle can provide that information to us.
 
I'm fairly news to coatings and I'm a recovering product overuser myself and the coatings are breaking me of this. I know I never need to apply so many coats but it was just a way to relax and always have a "just waxed" look all the time, literally but now with coatings its really just a waste to top it with anything. One way to always have that "just waxed" look now is by doing a rinseless wash which I'll be doing quite a bit, especially now that I've got a black car, albeit a metallic black one.

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Here's my question to Pinnacle about waxing a car after it was coated with PBL Paint Coating:

Can Pinnacle Synergy Wax be applied over the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating?

Should it be applied over it?

Is there any advantage to applying Pinnacle Synergy Wax over the Black Diamond Paint Coating?

Here is the response from Pinnacle:

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Can Pinnacle Synergy Wax be applied over the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating?

Should it be applied over it?

Is there any advantage to applying Pinnacle Synergy Wax over the Black Diamond Paint Coating?

Pinnacle Synergy Wax can absolutely be applied over the Paint Coatings. The Paint Coatings give you the 3 year protection and a really glassy/glossy look. The wax is going to provide the warmth/glow and depth of a carnauba wax that everyone loves so much. Also with the wax on the coating, it actually helps the coating last a little longer as well. The advantage is more protection and better yet, the LOOKS

Also, it is one of the longest lasting carnauba waxes available on the market. The average carnauba wax only lasts about 2-3 months, the Pinnacle Synergy that has carnauba and nano ceramic glass particles in it will last at least 6 months! WOW

I will post some pictures on my car that has the Pinnacle Black Label Surface Coating and the Pinnacle Synergy on top that I just put on last weekend. That will be up shortly. The look is absolutely STUNNING!
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silverfox said:
As time goes on with continued experience with coatings it will become more apparent to old school waxers that coatings are not your fathers LSP. When you think of all the work and expense to get paint surgically clean in preparation for a coating just to top it with anything that either takes away the coatings properties or potentially reacts negatively with it...makes no sense especially topping with carnauba waxes. That is certifiably insane when coatings are great at sheeting and repelling...and waxes grab, attract, and hold onto anything passing by.
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I 100% agree!
 
Nobody said you can't top a coating. Knock yourself out. If I were selling wax I'd say it's fine too. Just telling it like it is. Its not about can you...it's about using common sense.
 
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